Many a queer will die today

all around the world. Some will be killed by their governments. Some will die at the hands of attackers.

Some will die of AIDS. Others will die other untreated or undertreated conditions.

The majority of them, most likely, will kill themselves. Mostly teens, unable to come to terms with their own feelings and how they conlict with their family, their culture, their world.

So while you're shedding a tear for the animals, take a minute to think about people.

But nice try anyhow.

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She has always been a steadfast ally for us and I'm proud to have her in our corner.

I wasn't questioning her commitment to GLBT rights.

I'm talking about compassion for people who may disagree with one's own political or dietary views. I've seen her express glee over the potential deaths of hunters, whalers, and others who dont agree with her. That's sick, imo.

LeftyMom is a great humanitarian in every sense of the word.

to turn into a war with the animal-rights people - that wasn't my intent at all. Let;s just say I disagree and leave it at that.

"So while you're shedding a tear for the animals, take a minute to think about people."

If you truly wanted fellow commiserators, you would have left out that jab.


Other than that, I completely agree with the OP.

That last line was unnecessary. The sentiment expressed above it was sufficient.

unless you similarly have compassion for animals. Fortunately, I've been blessed to be surrounded by people who feel similarly throughout my life. Please don't hold it up as a "choice."

express pure hatred for people, and even cheer their deaths, while doing so in the name of animal compassion.

I care about my fellow humans AND animals.

limited to this issue. Ever check out the posts re: support of capital punishment, for example? DUers aren't immune to such hyperbole re: something that really upsets them. Yet, when the emotional "high" resolves, I'm guessing they would back off their statements. I know it is upsetting....

or the sex offenders threads - I challenge all people who speak like barbarians.

a lot of people here really want other people to die - often horrible, painful deaths.

I probably would think it hyperbole because I'd find it hard to believe anyone on DU would really want that. But that could just be my denial.

It's most likely just the bravado of anonymous people.

But when people cheer prison rape, hunting accidents, etc., it chills me.

make the most caring and successful parents as adults, while children who torture animals end up as sociopathic as B*sh.

Lorien reads to her kitty... it's the funniest, cutest thing. (My Lorien, that is)

She loves the pic of Oberon too!

Oh the hostility here is killing me!:rofl:

but I am saddened that this thread will sink quickly, and the hunting thread will be here for days.

Did you hear about the two young homosexuals in Saudi Arabia who were sentenced to 7000 lashes? They'll administer maybe 30-40 lashes, take 'em back to the cell, let 'em heal for a week or two, then bring 'em out and do the same thing. Until they've received 7000 lashes.

There were a few threads on it here - they lasted a few hours each.

No I didn't see any threads on that, nor heard about it.

It's truly horrible. The reality of the lives of GLBTQQI people presents a series of issues that people in every society are not willing or aware enough to address.

However, implying that people who care about animals don't care about people and their challenges only highlights the limitations of your own compassion.

just one person who interjected herself.

I wasn't saying people who care about animals don't care about people - I was suggesting a little priority-check.

So, that was directed at one person? I guess I was reacting to the large response to the thread that this thread title is copycatting.

I just don't like suggestions that there's some kind of either/or dynamic going on. There's no need for that kind of crap.

My point was that a thread about deer garners hundreds of responses and stays up for days. Threads about real people are dying tend to sink. I think sometimes our priorities are wrong.

The reason threads that discuss people dying for reasons they shouldn't sink is because there is little to disagree about. When the Saudis, or the Iranians, or some Montana yahoos torture or kill a homosexual there really isn't much to say. Of course we are outraged, every time, but where does the discussion come from?

"This is outrageous"

"Yes it is"

"Isn't there anything that can be done?"

"Probably not"

"But it's just so WRONG"

"Yeah I know"

See what I mean? No controversy. You know as well as I do that threads grow to monolithic proportions here, as anywhere, when the topic is one where opinions are evenly split. It's got jack-all to do with people's priorities, it's about whether there is anything to argue about.

You know this as well as anybody MF. You are certainly a lot of things, but an idiot is not one of them. You are choosing to see it as "priorities" only because you need a soapbox du jour, and for some reason this is it.

Animal rights aren't important in comparison to gay rights!
Gay rights aren't important in comparison to racial rights!
Racial rights aren't important in comparison to religious rights!
Religious rights aren't important in comparison to Prisoners' rights!
Prisoners rights aren't important in comparison to gender rights!
Gender rights aren't important in comparison to speech rights!
speech rights aren't important in comparison to states rights!
State's rights aren't important in comparison to my rights!
My rights aren't important in comparison to animal rights!

How many stops are there in prioritizing who should get the most concern out of any given day? Maybe you should set up a calendar for us pathetic fucks who haven't yet reached your gloried levels of enlightement and authority.

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Between cheering killing, and doing the killing.

Get your priorities straight. :P

False dichotomy. Much like Obama and his claim that gays and "the faith community" are hermetically sealed from one another, it's assumed that people who care about animals cannot also care about people. We're capable of caring about one thing, even at the same time. It's not an either-or proposition.

most people are.

I haven't seen the extended abbreviation "GLBTQQI" before. I'm assuming one of the Q's is for "Queer", but what are the other Q and the I for?

Sorry, it's kind of an unwieldy one.

how DARE you sir!

will continue Bush policies towards GLBT people, you're too far gone to argue with.

She scores perfect ratings from the HRC and other gay rights groups.

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we see that every few weeks here on DU....

Insomuch as they continue to vote Dem.

Fucking doubtful....

The Log Cabin republicans could host their convention in my dining room, and I wouldn't have to move the table.

We're either a joke, or a bunch of uppity hysterics around here. Either way we need to STFU so we won't lose the election for the Dems.

Coming out was the best decision I've ever made. Now I FINALLY feel "normal".

I'm also a MAJOR animal lover. I think a balance can be made and maintained between animals and people. It hurts me to hear of people abuse as much as it hurts me to hear of animal or pet abuse.

Yes, coming out is the best thing one can do for oneself - and that's not just propaganda. It's really the truth.

I adore animals, too, and feel a special relationship with them.

Ha MonkeyFunk?

Well, except maybe for self-abuse, and then it depends on who you ask.

;)

But deer hunting, if done correctly, isn't about abuse. It's about taking down prey with a well-placed shot. No decent hunter wants to merely wound the creature...that involves a long chase through the woods. Exhausting and potentially dangerous.

I'm more concerned about the millions in prison for doing nothing wrong...or the kids struggling to find their identity who are mocked or abused by not only their peers, but shitheads who think they have the right to sit in judgment. Or the women who are convicted of a crime for being raped. Or the millions of other kinds of abuse people suffer.

You want to worry about something involving animals? Worry about the nitwits who adopt animals they don't bother to understand, who then abandon them because they're too shallow to learn something. Worry about the creatures chained or caged outside in puppy mills, forced to breed litter after litter just to make money. Worry about the creatures that trust us and are betrayed day in and day out.

Deer, at least, understand what it means to be prey. They're not our friends. The whole deer hunting thing simply continues a cycle of life and death that has been going on for as long as both humans and deer have existed. And before that, with other predators doing the same thing. Which is more cruel--the long chase by a pack of wolves until the creature stumbles and is brought down by flashing fangs, or the single shot that pierces the heart and drops the beast where it stands?

One can have compassion for both humans and animals...but one also needs perspective.

A sad state of affairs and lack of empathy out there.

I have to admit I absolutely flinched when I saw your use of the word "queer" in your post. For years, it has seemed--derogatory, much like the "F" word-- so it is sort of reflexive that I cringe when I see it used. Can you please enlighten me on its current use among GLBT community? Is this now a term appropriate and expropriated for use only by members pf the GLBT community or is it now considered acceptable in general use? I feel a bit silly asking, but.... :shrug:

I think it is a very good question.

I see the use of the word all throughout this thread.

Is it now an acceptable word to use?

but the term has been in wide use among GLBTs for about 20 years now. It's shorthand for "gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered".

I think when there's a national TV show called Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, it's become pretty acceptable.

I'm gay and I don't care for the term "queer". I know it's all about reclaiming a slur, but a slur is a slur...

It obviously was not used here as a negative, so one assumes that no offense was meant. Therefore, one should not take offense. However, it might have been better to use a less inflammatory word. Some people don't take context into consideration.

Multitasking is a wonderful thing.

For those who would try to put the situation on the same level as deer dying from hunting - homosexuals aren't in danger of overpopulating and overexploiting their resources (any more than any other humans), thereby necessitating hunting them for population control.

trying to figure out where to donate in our name, then send each family member a card and a jar of homemade pickles.

What this has to do with the topic is thinking of people in severe need. I disagree with those who say vehemently that they would save their pets over my child, and try to surround myself with those who have a world view of wtf is going on, including enviromental, animal, human issues. So, am considering what group to donate to to help humanity and the world rather than buying crap no one needs for gifts. MSR? hmmm.

That's just what some people really think.

I doubt any appeals will sway the few dedicated misanthropists around.

We are just doing a better job than all the other species combined, of screwing up this planet (at least environmentally speaking) and driving all the other species to extinction ....

We are better at that than most other species. I will have to give us that ;).

I don't like the OP's jab at animal rights supporters, but to suggest the issue of gays committing suicide or being murdered is not an important issue seems unconscionable. I don't think Matthew Shepard's family members would feel to good after reading that their son's death was not important. This is a very serious issue, and it disgusts me to see people claiming it is not.

Many an IndianaJones will die today...well, actually just one.
We should all ponder that for a moment. All those potential Lounge posts...gone just like that.

Alas poor IndianaJones, we hardly knew ye.

It is so heartbreaking to see the statistics on teenage GLBT suicides. It's horrible that these kids feel the need to kill themselves...because of family and societal attitudes.

People have a good discussion about one of the cruelties of the world, and someone comes in screaming "What about my pet issue?". I saw two completely different threads today that said the subject matter will be the worst thing I read all day.

World suffering is quite atrocious.

for another Ahmedenejad bashing thread...

and it turns out to be LM bashing thread instead. How parochial.

on DU also seem to be the biggest supporters of GBLT rights. Hell, many of the gay people here are vegan or vegetarian. Heck, I'm not completeley sure about this, but it seems to me that many of the people who hunt also tend to be christian (and/or macho), and they are the sorts of people who, on DU and outside of the internets, would throw gay people to the back of the bus or trample them on their way to their moderate positions.

Could be wrong though.

http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/gay_ahmadinejad.jpg
No gays in Iran, huh? ;-)

all around the world. Some will be killed by their governments. Some will die at the hands of attackers.

Some will die of AIDS. Others will die other untreated or undertreated conditions...

but i wouldn't begin to presume how many will kill themselves.

:thumbsup:

The point, however, is well taken. Everyone deserves a life free of persecution.

don't shed them for people too ... :wtf: Stereotype much, hate to see that kind of crap here. :-(

Thanks for the advice-I already do though-but thanks anyway. I think the root of my compassion is the same-whether for people and animals.
If I didn't care about animal lives (in most cases the weakest and most underrepresented of all living creatures on this planet), I probably would be incapable of caring as much about oppressed, voiceless, poor people around the world.

Thanks for the advice though-I am sure 99% of the people out there who shed tears for animals secretly hate and kill other people to make Soylent Green :eyes:.

What an absurd line to add to an OP that is overall right on target....

I have found this to be the case with the vast majority of AR activists. The stereotype of the people-hating animal rights activist is at the end of the day, like all stereotypes, quite false :).

Do you not believe that I can care about both?

Do you think I have some kind of concern quota?

Did you think for one minute I didn't care about you?