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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:16 AM
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Congressman Sees Bias in Chicago Traffic Stop
Congressman Sees Bias in Chicago Traffic Stop

By CATRIN EINHORN
Published: November 24, 2007


CHICAGO, Nov. 23 — A black Congressman who was issued a ticket this week after being pulled over while driving with three black passengers has accused the Chicago police of racial profiling in the traffic stop.

The representative, Danny K. Davis, Democrat of Illinois, said he was driving his Mercury Grand Marquis just after midnight Monday on the city’s West Side when two police officers pulled him over and asked to see his driver’s license and proof of insurance.

When Mr. Davis asked why they had stopped him, he said, they accused him of weaving, and they ticketed him for driving left of the center line.

Mr. Davis says he did not commit any traffic violation.

“I just could not believe it,” he said Friday. “I had to conclude that race had to have entered the picture, and that the only reason we were stopped is that there were four African-Americans a little after midnight, in a car going down the street. And it really breaks my heart to have to arrive at that conclusion, but I can’t conclude anything else.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/24/us/24chicago.html?ref=us
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:17 AM
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1. he is more than likely correct. nt.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:19 AM
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2. I have no doubt he's correct. If he was
legitimately doing something wrong, I imagine we wouldn't have heard about it. But I don't blame him one bit for bringing attention to this. I'm sure it happens often, too often.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:21 AM
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3. This, as I said last time this story was posted, should be EASY to resolve.
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 11:22 AM by MADem
If he went "left of the center line" it should be clearly apparent on the dash-cam. If it isn't evident, he's got a case.

Edit--stray keystroke.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:24 AM
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4. So sorry; I hadn't seen this before. Just heard about it on Dem. Now. nt
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:36 AM
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5. 'left of center violation was a direct comment of his political stand, i bet they are getting a big
laugh out of that at the station house...
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:23 PM
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15. the cops may not have been behind him at the time...
and i'm not sure if chicago cops even have cameras in their cars- i've never seen footage from one on the news.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:19 AM
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19. Well, if you don't hear one of them speaking contemporaneously about a
violation when the car goes, say, around a corner, assuming the car did have a camera installed, then it's time to smell a rat. And if they don't have video of the guy going over the line, my take is, they're fucked--it's just too suspicious. Without a dashcam, even if he did touch the centerline, the cops would have been smarter to warn him and let the guy go, rather than ticket him.

The police started getting dashcams a while back for EXACTLY that 'racial profiling' reason, interestingly enough-- http://www.il.gov/pressreleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?RecNum=4570&SubjectID=17

But not all their cars have them yet. They just signed a contract to get a shitload more: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/632111,CST-NWS-camera02.article

Here's the most INTERESTING thing, though--the city is one of the most heavily surveilled in the nation, with a whole system of THOUSANDS of cameras blanketing the city.

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001537.html

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:38 AM
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6. I know Rep. Davis; I doubt he's lying.
Bet the video from the police dash cam mysteriously "disappears."
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:57 AM
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8. If that happens, the judge will have to toss the case.
It's "Put Up or Shut Up" time.

The first thing the lawyer for the rep will do is ask to see that video.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:32 PM
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17. do chicago cops even have dashboard cams?
i've never seen any footage being used on the news.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 01:22 AM
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18. All of the cars I've see on the near north side beat have them.
I'm not sure about the west side, but I don't see why they'd be any different.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 05:20 AM
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20. SOME do, many do not--look upthread, I posted a couple of links. NT
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:41 AM
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7. well danny
do`t drive in the other lane when you want to make a turn..do`t go to the police station and demand the two cops who pulled you over to be pulled off the street to answer to your questions. a big much to do about nothing.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:58 AM
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9. yeah...racism is overblown. nt.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:20 PM
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14. i more i thought about this the dumber i realized i was
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 11:59 AM
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10. Easy to say
When it wasn't you and you're not a minority.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:35 PM
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11. While listening to Warren Ballentine this morning
he says Illinois has a long history of harrassing black politicans.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 12:51 PM
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12. Illinois police have a history of racism in traffic stops
Edited on Mon Nov-26-07 12:51 PM by Tempest
A study prompted by a 1994 lawsuit and submitted in 1999 by the ACLU brought to light the pervasiveness of racial profiling on Illinois roads. Experts concluded that among state troopers, especially those assigned to a drug interdiction program called “Operation Valkyrie,” racial profiling is a common practice.

- Although Hispanics comprise less than 8% of the Illinois population, and take fewer than 3% of the personal vehicle trips in Illinois, they comprise 27% of the searches conducted by Valkyrie officers. In the area surrounding East St. Louis, Hispanics comprise less than 1% of the local driving-age population but comprise 41% of the searches.

- Even though African Americans comprise less than 15% of the Illinois population and take approximately 10% of the personal vehicle trips in Illinois, they comprise 23% of the searches conducted by Valkyrie officers.

- While troopers ask a higher percentage of Hispanic drivers than white drivers for consent to search their vehicles, they find contraband in a lower percentage of the vehicles of Hispanic drivers. This demonstrates that searches are based on race, not results.

http://www.aclu-il.org/legal/highschool/students/racialprofiling.shtml
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:19 PM
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13. ya the more i thought about this the dumber i realized i was
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:31 PM
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16. i had a similar incident happen, and i'm a white guy...
it wasn't on the west side, but rather up north in skokie- i got off the edens at about 3 am, on my way home- we lived in evanston at the time. after about 6 blocks on dempster, i got pulled over, by a cop who claimed i was going 70mph, and had gone thru a red light- none of it was true- i was driving a beat-up vw rabbit, and the cop was fishing for a dui. i wasn't drunk- so the cop let me go without a ticket- even though i had supposedly been flying down dempster thru red lights at 70mph...:eyes:
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