Astrological Signifigance of Deceber 11....Anybody know?

I keep coming across reference to this date but never any explanation as to why it is thought to be such an important date....Can Anybody enlighten me?

Thanks!

Boy, I sure did, and found ...

2007 is a BIG year. Jupiter is transiting in Sagittarius (Nov 23/24, 2006 - December 18, 2007), it's home sign, giving Jupiter even more power for expansion. While in Sagittarius until the end of this year, 2007, Jupiter makes a square to Uranus (October 9) and a conjunction to Pluto (December 11).

The Saturn-Neptune opposition (started back in August, 2006) continues to be very much in effect through 2007. As Jupiter conjuncts Pluto in December, the Jupiter aspects, together with a long-term Saturn-Pluto trine, can turn 2007 into a crisis, or turning point, of belief and disbelief; old and new; security and adventure; change and growth that is both personal and cultural, virtual and real. All sides need to be heard and given their due.

http://www.artcharts.com/2007_astrology/2007_astrology.html

Degree of Sagitarrius as the sun hits on December 11th.

I forget all the implications - but remember that it was duly noted in Mary Lincoln's chart and this star and sun conjunction foretold of her tragic life - her bouts of mental illness, her loss of her child, her becoming a widow after the stormy WH years were finally behind she and Abe.

See if I can locate the star's name for you.

The sun is about half a degree wide, so it covers about 0.2 square degrees. There are 41523 square degrees in the sky, so the sun covers about about 5 millionths of the sky at any one time.

There are 200 billion stars in the galaxy. If they were evenly distributed in the sky (they're not, but this is for the sake of estimation), the sun would on average pass in front of (200 billion) times (5 millionths) = one million stars at a time.

So this hardly seems significant.

Some astrologers feel that if the sun or planet conjuncts a star, it has special portents for that individual.

So it's sort of a subset of astorolgy, which in itself might not be something that you believe in.

presumed in old school mentalities to be malefic but not necessarily so.

A biography I read of her mentions her birthday and infancy and that star and it's relation
to her sun.

her sole surviving son, Robert, who put her in a mental institution and refused to see her thereafter. She did indeed have a tragic life.

Assuming that 'certain star' isn't erratically moving about the galaxy, then yes, it would. so there must be more to it than that...

:)

The fundagelicals have been claiming that 2007 was going to be a "prophetically significant" year. And they're running out of 2007. So if God's gonna do something, it's apparently going to be in December :shrug:

for those DUers underwhelmed with the current crop of Democratic presidential candidates.

this is a political discussion forum not a flat Earth society.

there is a forum for woo and this aint it

ha ha

:sarcasm:, sort of, :hide:

Move along if you don't want to participate....rather than telling someone off in an off handed way.

as I believe this is in the GENERAL DISCUSSION area...not the GD-Politics....

Crap, maybe but that doesn't negate the fact that many people put stock in it and by so doing it has an effect. Kind of like fibonacci numbers and the stock market...nothing inherent but because of expectations it produces observable effects.

how good is yours?

It's a 5000 year old study and has become "the gold standard for superstition and contempt."

In the words of Issac Newton, "I have studied it. You have not."

Quite to the contrary astrologers have been well aware of the spherical nature of the planet long before Galileo.

Psssssssssssst manure is a wondrous fertilizer.

for thinking the planets are spherical shouldn't hype their knowledge too much.

perhaps that was poor phrasing

was just acutely bothered by the flat earth meme,

so there

before my birthday!
:party: :party:

I didn't know star alignment contributed to that very unforgettable experience! (Unforgettable because we were skipping school and my DAD walked in on us...!!)

yay!

I'm going to be twenty-seventeen

:D

Should we hide under the bed those three days?

:party:

about what's going to go down then...I think this site could wind up being very entertained that day and for a while after that. Hee.

:)

Jupiter (the planet of enlargement, expansion, belief, and truth), is coming to the same point in the Zodiac (28-29 degrees of Sag) where Pluto (death, rebirth, the underworld, nuclear force) is transiting.

Because these two planets meet in Sag, the sign ruled by Jupiter, the event is reckoned to signify BIG events on Earth that are related to all the key words used to describe Jupiter, Pluto, and Sag.

Expressed negatively, the energies of this conjunction can bring forward ideological arrogance, fundamentalism, mass entrainment, and so forth, likely involving the nuclear, death-rebirth character of Pluto. Expressed positively, all of the energies signified by this conjunction can be taken to herald a rebirth of the higher mind of humanity -- a real, intense Plutonic transformation to a clean, healthy, free and strong global (Sag) consciousness and awareness.

Bring it on!

Searching for rays of hope (Jupiter-Sag), I can picture this conjunction -- and all the events that might be associated with it -- as marking the possibility for a mass Awaking to a Global/Local vision: a global seeing and understanding of how the world may die, or how the world may live -- depending on us, our beliefs, our truths, and the vision we are following.

For me, I made the Jupiter-Pluto-Sag decision long ago. I want to live. I want all my planet to live, too. Hechata Ho !


Jupiter - the HUGH planet:

It's very auspicious.

... "chart", which is the stellar time figured by the latitude and longitude of the "chart" you are looking at.

I think there is an astrology group here, but this should answer the question. I've read astrology for years and have people in my family who do pretty well with charts. Quite interesting.

Anyone who spouts off with "astrology = crap" obviously knows everything ahead of what I know and can tell you why they think it's crap. Could be it's because they've never really "read up" about ancient practices, in which case, ignorance = astrology, according to that person.

:-)

No, I think it's because they got, at least, a high school education.

:eyes:

Because there is no significance to astrology.

Have a nice December 11th.

There is an astrological significance even if astrology is crap.

There's a sports significance to the Patriots going 16-0 this season, even if football is crap. Artificial logical constructs do create their own reality, even when not based on the physical world.

and nothing BUT an opinion.

Carl Jung did some very interesting statistical studies on astrology. You should look it up sometime.

And James Watson was into eugenics.

It's a shame, really.

And Tom Hayden's too. :)

:-)

Some can say that Dec 12 2012

could really be Dec 12 2007

now how can that be because

because Dionysis Exeguus - the 6th Century monk whose task it was to pivot the calendar around the birth of Jesus Christ - miscalculated the founding of Rome by about 4 years (and left out the year 0), the true third millennium actually started on 31 December 1995.

In the 6th Century, the Roman monk and astronomer named Dionysis Exeguus (Dionysis the Little) reformed the calendar to pivot around the birth of Christ. He dated the Nativity 753 years from the founding of Rome, calculated to the date King Herod died. But Dionysis miscalculated, because Herod died only 749 years after the founding of Rome, thus 4BC. Dionysis also left out the Year 0. He used the Julian calendar.

So which calendar is the Mayans going by??? And what is the real date??? thats the question???

so maybe December 11 is special

Just here to mess with your minds

because dozens of people have shown that although the lights are going out and their freedoms are at stake, they are more interested in how good the party will be.