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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:56 PM
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More pressuring of scientists
I am certainly an advocate for wildlife and the environment. In fact for Thanksgiving, I took my family to the see the critically endangered whooping cranes of Aransas NWR, the only truly wild flock left in the world. Here is one of the pictures I took of them.



I find the following absolutely disgusting. This administration, no surprise to us, cares nothing for people, land or wild animal. Are these people mentally ill? Why will they not do the right thing? Sure, some might say that it is just a prairie dog or a mouse, but this is just further proof a systemic problem that has permeated our repuke controlled government far too long.

Reversal of Endangered Species Rulings

By H. JOSEF HEBERT – 2 days ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on Tuesday reversed seven rulings that denied endangered species increased protection, after an investigation found the actions were tainted by political pressure from a former senior Interior Department official.

In a letter to Rep. Nick Rahall, D-W.Va., the agency acknowledged that the actions had been "inappropriately influenced" and that "revising the seven identified decisions is supported by scientific evidence and the proper legal standards." The reversal affects the protection for species including the white-tailed prairie dog, the Preble's meadow jumping mouse and the Canada lynx.

The rulings came under scrutiny last spring after an Interior Department inspector general concluded that agency scientists were being pressured to alter their findings on endangered species by Julie MacDonald, then a deputy assistant secretary overseeing the Fish and Wildlife Service.

MacDonald resigned her position last May.


Read the rest here: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hGNmjo4sZaK7c7uuIHFuDW-SMyVAD8T6A1U80
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:01 PM
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1. In a previous life
I lived in League City, just south of Nassau Bay.

I traveled home on Egret Bay Boulevard every day and saw these beautiful birds almost every day.

Along with Egrets and, from time to time, spoon billed ibis.

I miss that place, now that I'm in New England :(

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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:21 PM
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7. Thanks Xipe Totec
Are you sure you saw whoopers? The only wild flock is this one. There are some introduced flocks in Fla and in Wisconsin. Ibises, egrets, herons, cranes are very beautiful and graceful birds. Thanks again.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:24 PM
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9. That was 15-20 years ago,
But I do think I saw whooping cranes back then.

About the time Shuttle was just going for it's maiden voyages...

I know whooping cranes are rare; and they were rare then.

But I do think I remember them...
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:26 PM
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10. Since it was Fla, you probably did.
Cool, the space shuttle and whoopers! :hi:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:28 PM
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11. This was Houston
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 10:31 PM by Xipe Totec
Clear Lake area; Nassau bay is on the north shore, League City on the south shore, and Egret Bay Boulevard on the east shore traveling between.

PS: Aransas is just south of this area.

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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:31 PM
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12. D'uh! Sometimes I am an idiot!
When you mentioned the shuttle I just thought the Space Coast of Florida.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:01 PM
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2. Department of Interior has become Department of selling natural resources
My stepbrother was a park ranger up until recently. You would not BELIEVE how badly the parks are treated as well. The only thing they spent money on was finding timber or other resources that could be sold off to corporate cronies. Why do wild animals matter..all they do is make it harder to drill for oil or mess up logging industries.
Short sightness and lack of concern with anything that doesn't generate a profit is the calling card of these idiots.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:19 PM
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6. The government does not recognize a good return on investment.
A study shows that national parks generate billions for local economies and one could surmise that that number would increase if more were invested to keep the parks looking nice and properly staffed, but no, more cuts are planned. These people are just plain stupid. Throw money at things that do not work while taking money away from things that do! :crazy:

Wildlife Refuges Generate Some $1.7B

By BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writer

Tuesday, November 27, 2007

(11-27) 15:27 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

National wildlife refuges more than make up for their cost to taxpayers by returning about $4 in economic activity for every $1 the government spends, according to a federal study released Tuesday.

Overall, the refuges drew some 35 million hunters, anglers, birders and other visitors in 2006, supporting about 27,000 jobs, the study found.

Advocates of the system pounced on the results as evidence that budget cuts under President Bush have been ill-advised.

"Refuges are economic engines in local communities. There's no doubt about it," said Desiree Sorenson-Groves, vice president for government affairs at the National Wildlife Refuge Association. "The budget cuts have an impact .... You have people who are going to refuges and there's no staff, or a wildlife drive is closed because it can't be maintained."

Under an ongoing restructuring, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is planning to cut 565 jobs from refuges by 2009 — a 20 percent reduction. The plan would leave more than 200 refuges unstaffed.


More here.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 03:16 PM
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21. And that which they can't justify by good old fashioned greed...
Is justified by twisted Dominionist theology in that:

God did not give man dominion over the earth to watch over it, but to exploit it's resources to the fullest degree.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-01-07 11:25 AM
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25. And when discussing religion and climate change
(wierd combination I know) with anyone who is a fundie to a more liberal christian, I always ask why christians are not rabid environmentalists. Wouldn't they want to protect what they believe God created? The more liberal christians agree, the fundies believe that nothing bad will happen; that God will protect the Earth and yes, unfortunately, they also believe that animals are here to be controlled, manipulated and extirpated if need be. :eyes:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:02 PM
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3. Excellent image.
Thank you for sharing that image that truly captures one of the great wonders of life, Maestro.

As for Bush, he doesn't care about animals.

He doesn't even care about people, other than those he owns and operates.

The reversal is welcome news, as well.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:47 AM
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19. Thanks Octafish.
I just find it amazing, although not surprising, the callousness with which this admin treats science, the environment, wildlife, etc... It cares for nothing. To me, after providing basic services such as health care and education to the citizens, the protection of the environment including flora and fauna should be very high on the priority list. :shrug:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:06 PM
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4. We've certainly had a patriarchal war on animal life . . .
Why . . . ???

Any harm done to nature also harms our own species because we're part of nature ---

We're killing ourselves ---

patriarchy is suicidal ---

Why????


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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:22 PM
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8. Exactly!
If we do not care about animal life, we do not care about human life. If we do not care for Nature, we are certainly killing ourselves. I concur 110%!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 04:04 PM
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22. WTF does sexism have to do with enviromental damage caused by human stupidity and greed? n/t.
:wtf:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:11 PM
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5. Yes, "mentally ill" covers it, quite nicely.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:43 PM
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20. Or they are just mean,
self-righteous, instransigent, selfish, arrogant a$$holes! Somehow, I like these second round of descriptors more. :)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:31 PM
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13. At least the mental midget resigned
There is a good reason why I avoid associating with Republicans if at all possible.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:37 PM
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14. Yeah, but he only resigned because he was caught.
To be in this admin you have to be a dirty rotten bastard.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:46 PM
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15. Bush was the first (and hopefully last) Freeper President
Amazing how many decisions were made simply based on narrow-minded RW principals. Funny thing is he has turned off most of the old-fashioned "conservatives" of the type you typically see up here in the Northeast. I know of not one Republican up here who defends Dubya. Lots of Republicans up here are conservationists! Amazing how good Bush has been at driving away Republicans from the GOP - I'm surprised that the Republicans haven't figured out that he is a plant for the Dems yet :rofl:
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:47 PM
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16. I'd like to be around some of those kind of repukes if
I had to be around some. Here in Texas we tend to have the non-thinking sheeple following freeper kind.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:54 PM
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17. Oh, Texas :o( I have great sympathy for you
I've visited Texas many times on business and have heard some of the most angry bigoted comments made just for the sake of "showing up the Yankee". I can't imagine having to live with a bunch of swaggering fake macho weenies!
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 06:38 AM
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18. Luckily, it hasn't always been this bad so I have hope
for the future. I have some "moderate" repuke friends who just told me that they are definitely voting for a Democrat in the next elections. Although it took their son being called up for Iraq to make them realize what a fool they have been supporting the doofus in power.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 04:06 PM
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23. And yet the denialists and Co. still claim that THEY are the ones being "supressed".
Edited on Fri Nov-30-07 04:06 PM by Odin2005
:banghead:
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 10:05 PM
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24. Yes, I am not sure with whom I am more mad.
Edited on Fri Nov-30-07 10:05 PM by Maestro
The people doing the supressing or the stupid populace that allows it. At least these rulings were overturned.
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