Clinton NH Campaign Hostage Situation thread #2

Thread #1:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2377226&mesg_id=2377226

Summary of situation:
A man in his 40s with salt and pepper hair walked into the Rochester, NH headquarters of the Hillary Clinton Presidential campaign, opened his overcoat and showed the volunteers there that he had a bomb strapped to his chest.

An eyewitness, apparently a lady in the headquarters at the time the suspect walked in, was released by the suspect so she would call 911.

The campaigns of Obama and Edwards in Rochester are located very close to the Clinton campaign headquarters, and they have been evacuated.

As of right now it is not precisely known how many people are being held. The swat team and the bomb squad have surrounded the headquarters and sharpshooters are on the scene.

The police are negotiating with the man, and reports claim he wants to talk with the Senator.

Clinton canceled her speech at the DNC fall meeting in Washington, D.C. as result of this incident.

UPDATE: Clinton campaign has issued a vanilla press release that doesn't give any new information, they will make further statements as thing develop. It also appears other campaigns have made statements about this. Will post links to statements as they become available.

Fox News is showing live footage of the rescue operation, typical Fox. Other networks are refusing to show it because they don't want to help out the hostage taker.

Clint V.Z. made an important point on MSNBC: the police will tell the fellow that they will not allow him to talk to Senator Clinton as long as he is holding hostages. However, they will be able to help him in other ways.

Smart man.

talking head on MSNBC is saying this puts Senator Clinton in a "tough Place," as if she has to decide if she should call the fellow.

I've found that the vast majority of the time they make no sense, or seem to have no idea what's coming out of their own mouths. It's like stream of consciousness. It probably saves them a ton on therapy.

No way. It sets a terrible precedence for her potential presidency.

If they tell her to talk to him, she should talk to him, if they tell her not to, she shouldn't.

Should she talk to every nut who takes hostages over the next 8 years? Hell no! It's a bad precedence. Anyone that would want to talk to her would just have to take some hostages.

The decision should be left to professionals, not politics. What you say may or may not be true, but when lives are on the line, she shouldn't fuck around and do what SHE thinks is best and I hope she's smart enough to realize that and listen to the professionals as she has indicated she will.

It sounds like the hostages are free. Hopefully this guy ends this peacefully.

Wow, that's awesome!

save lives.

Not an option.

I reached into my TV screen and slapped the commentator up side the head.:nopity: :spank:

Im watching Clint on MSNBC also. I hope the people inside try to stay calm. Poor people.

out there often....I hope she is safe. I don't see her posting on this.:scared:

and this person can get some much needed mental help.

care.

,...according to CNN.

Good LORD!! :wow:

Hmmm

No official indication he's a Republican, but I think we're all thinking it is.

is that he is a frustrated person who believes that using violence is an okay way to make his point. Although he may not identify with any particular party or candidate -- other than the very negative feelings towards Senator Clinton -- his behaviors fit an ugly pattern.

This is what the level of discourse in this country has devolved into. The word that is used to describe Hillary, "polarizing" isn't just a word. It involves a really deep hatred. Many Americans (republicans) bought into the gigantic smear campaign perpetrated by the right wing conspiracy that sought to destroy the Clintons at any cost.

Vicious shitheads like Sean Hannity fan the flames of hatred in this country.

This is so bad.

Hoping & praying this person is at least reasonable enough to NOT hurt anyone!

This, I believe, is a first for a campaign office.:crazy:

And I don't think I've ever heard of anything like this before.

they evacuated the offices of Obama and Edwards as well in NH.

interesting if so....

If having a bomb strapped to one's body, while one holds hostages and make demands is not terrorism, then what is? :shrug:

But in seriousness.....does one have to be of muslim descent to be considered a terrorist these days....because if that is so, than the term has been bastardized!

that's not terrorism. :eyes:

,...by a news organization UNLESS they have information not being revealed to the general public.

:crazy:

It's not terrorism because it's "domestic." :wtf:

5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that -
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended -
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

peaceful protest against an unjust illegal war and the torture of captured brown people seems to be 'terrorism'.

Why don't they already have one of these?

"The Clinton Campaign released a written statement just before 3 p.m. "There is an ongoing situation in our Rochester, NH office," the statement said. "We are in close contact with state and local authorities and are acting at their direction. We will release additional details as appropriate."


http://wbztv.com/topstories/local_story_334132330.html

And may it be resolved quickly.

I don't want thsi to be a harbinger of things to come.

To be available to deal with the crisis.

Something that has never occurred to the dreck in the White House.

:o

She cancelled the speech because the hostage situation was grabbing all the media coverage.

:sarcasm:

I thought we were fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here? How's that working out for us?

Need to change out my tuna and powdered milk, will sweep out under my bed while I'm doing it.

morans. school administrators are such drama queens

n.t.

Fox Script: Imagine if she ever became president! We'd see these kinds of things all the time, because she's so *polarizing* -- people hate her!

Just a prediction.

hoping all turns out ok though.

how can Hillary protect the nation if she can't protect her campaighn offices morans

Why am I even surprised? :crazy:

The police maintain a firm control over overthing outside the building; they would not allow Senator Clinton to talk to him.

I agree that the forces of hatred will attempt to use this for their own means.

and will continue getting bashed long after this. and it's not polarizing with her as both poles hate her...it's just that the wingnuts are violent and irrational about it.

How they're communicating w/ the hostage taker/bomber


a cell phone was given to the armed person inside

and 1 more hostage released...a woman accompanied by 2 SWAT members

per CNNi

now both released

Yes!!!!

Thank god.

But the guy is still in there.

:shrug:

They need to get all of them out of there peacefully.

it sounds like there is still one.

I would be VERY surprised if this nutjob didn't come from the lunatic fringe of Rush and Hannity listeners.

This according to CNN.

Umm, New Hampshire dude.

If he does, when he leaves the SWAT team will do a "Joe Horn" on him.

http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

trying to get a phone into the headquarters. Senator Clinton not in NH.

suspect has history of mental illness. they have to do something about the lack of mental health care in the country, how many of our own soldiers will be coming back with worse symptoms like this.

From the C-Span feed is known to have mental problems and his son told reporters that his father told him today to "Watch the news"

is local, and has a history of mental instability

per CSPAN

help.

in this country is ignored? Its so ignored by our government that instances like today should come as no surprise.

this issue needs addressing.

so much more attention than it does. Reagan's administration begun the downhill attack on ensuring the mental health of our citizens take a back room and hide completely uncaring of them as if they are nothing more than a burden on society and therefore deserve no aid.

Or perhaps it is because they themselves wanted to ensure their own mental deficiencies were never discovered....I mean its more than obvious that many who are power these days are in desperate need of mental health addressing and that should terrify every single citizen of this country.

Mental health is either not covered by a lot of insurers or capped at a small yearly and lifetime amount.

that is all the person's own fault.

:sarcasm:

:sarcasm:

and throwing my prayers for a peaceful resolution in the mix.

Finally something exciting in this primary!

...and I can do without this type of excitement.:thumbsdown:

Not the kind of "excitement" I seek.

I was just joking anyway :D

police do their work.

hope I'm wrong.

but not cnn! they break to other storys...
but good ole fox, they are hoping for a murder
haha

for almost all mainstream news media outletts ...lol

i make sure to point out to any righty who claims there is never anything good on the news about the war that the news has NEVER shown any good news about anything... good news isnt entertaining to the masses.
so much for that liberal media conspiracy.
haha

i dunno when people will ever learn that they serve themselves and their interests, not a political party or political ideaology.

they do what they gotta do to make MONEY!

Faux can't really be blamed for this one...

unless they just started to.

The others are local channels?

yes, the others are NH and Mass and New England Cable stations

Positively masturbatory for them and their regular viewers.

with local authorities

per local news WMUR 9 NH

http://www.wmur.com/video/14738085/index.html

Is the hostage-taker out and under control yet?

that there is still one person being held. (I just got back in.)

Or are they all in there trying to convince the man to give up peacefully?

another hostage.

I thought they said all hostages were released?

says that there is still one.

The "suspect" is known to police for erratic behavior in the past.

of mental illness. He claims the government had implanted a "bug" in his head

This info comes from a young guy who claims his dad to be a friend of the family

He was interviewed just now on Fox

Edit to add... Stanley's son said his dad had been drinking today and strapped some

road flares to his chest

delusional psychotics in our midst.

America should be ashamed.

in jails. It is depressing and deplorable

mom was transient with a car for years, and then without. At least she had access to money for apartments/motels so she wasn't technically homeless except for a few days over the course of 20 years.

She's in assisted living now and has bad dementia from strokes. Sad waste of a life.

Quite common among those with psychoses.

there isn't enough information to say what type of diagnosis he may carry, much less to speculate on any treatment.

as presenting an alternative to "America has deserted this man."

I was agreeing with you. There are many possibilities. People should not conclude he is a harmless person who was denied treatment, though he could be. He might also have an anti-social personality disorder, and have attempted to avoid legal consequences from past misdeeds by trying to feign illness. Anything is possible.

I misinterpreted. My apologies.

in an unclear way. I could have been clearer.

"After you."

"No, after you."

"I must insist that you proceed first."

"Very well, if you insist — and thank you."

"No — thank you."

:D

There's gonna be a presser in about 10 min.

The SWAT team is in place. Don't know much more.

local (NH) news is saying there may be more hostages inside

has history of mental illness, reports his mother interacted with Mr. Stanley. Mr. Stanley claims to have a bug in his head, placed by the government.

This is taking warrantless wiretapping too far. :spank:

No, but seriously, it just looks like he's a nut, not a Republican nut.

Now it's a waiting game to see if all the other kookanuts out there do anything to copycat this man.

:crazy:

that the son of the suspect told others that his father had been drinking, and had the flares.

I'm glad that things are being handled well.

Hopefully, true, as well!

may mean he's planning to give up.

:eyes:

This is what MSNBC just said anyway.

Oh baby, scare me really good! Come on harder, harder! How much ductape do I need? How much sheeting? Oh yes, oh yes! Scare me, scare me! yes!

Troy Stanley Charged With Criminal Trespass And Obstructing Government Administration, August 2007

From the Rochester police log - 8/14/07 to 8/22/07

11:38 a.m. -- Troy Alan Stanley, 44, of 15 Strafford Inn, Farmington, is charged with criminal trespass and obstructing government administration.

#

July 3, 2006 arrest record

# 10:17 a.m. -- I-95, Portsmouth. Two vehicle, sideswipe type collision. Drivers: Jill Dunn, 27, Chester. Craig Cooper, 35, Peabody, Mass. No injuries. Trooper Donald McCabe.

# 7:59 p.m. -- Route 125, Rochester. Single vehicle crash. Driver: Troy Stanley, 39, Rochester. A passenger in Stanley's vehicle was injured in the crash. Trooper Joseph Ebert.

http://archive.seacoastonline.com/news/07282006/announcements-ph-troopa.logs.html

OK FCC....NOW can we do something about the hatemongering on our airwaves?

It drives (unstable) people to do stuff like this....

sheesh...