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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:40 AM
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bushcheney's last year fills me with dread.
And its not those two monsters that I fear, its America's total lack of action against them, and what they have done, and might still do. America's apathy and inaction are what I fear the most.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:45 AM
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1. There's Seething Under the Indifference
and an ocean of fear. But waiting for a reaction is excruciating, and if the public commons isn't prepared with truth and education, the explosion could hit the wrong people.

That's what I fear the most: the ignorance.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:48 AM
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3. America WANTS a revolution, but we're afraid to take the first step.
We need to revisit the revolution.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:52 AM
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4. First serious steps: this year
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 05:56 AM by SpiralHawk
I'd bet a sack of cinnamon doughnuts on it.


Americans are going to demand some honesty and integrity, which the republicons have failed miserably to provide at all. Folks are fed up with republicon posturing, hypocricy, corruption, sexual deviancy, borrow-and-spend largesse to benefit cronies, and -- of course -- all the vast horde of republicon lies...This year the people (the vast majority of American citizens) speak...



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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:05 AM
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21. When we're starving in the streets it will happen...
Bush will be long gone by then, and he knows it.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:57 AM
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13. As Demeter said, that's what I fear--it seems so many don't know the actual source
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 08:04 AM by lulu in NC
of their economic misery. "Gay marriage is what's wrong! Yeah, that's it!"

But I'm glad to say more Americans have waked up--though it's taken 2 terms of this pResidency for them to do so.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:47 AM
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2. I remember just before Nixon resigned ... the height of Iran Contra ...
We'll muddle through again.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:56 AM
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5. Me too.
I was never politically motivated until Nixon mighty fall, and it set the standard for my life. Today seems similar, but different in many other dangerous ways.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:27 AM
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6. We're different ... the public has always remained blissfully ignorant n/t
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:41 AM
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9. Nixon resigns...
and I remember the military being put on the highest alert level, and rumors of national guard being called up and a real feeling of dread that Nixon wouldn't go.

Bush/Cheney is much much worse. What did it for Nixon is that even his own Repuke party was done with him... with BushCo, I'm just not sure.

The neocons are capable of anything (I am convinced that they are totally amoral, and the "ends" justify any means)... and if they feel that their only chance to remake the world in their dark image is slipping away, they may believe that any act is justified to keep them in power.

I'm not given to conspiracy theories... but I believe them to be capable of orchestrating 9/11 (their new "Pearl Harbor" that they wrote that they "needed"). And the long slow steady decline into a Fascist State is accelerating...

So, until President Obama/Edwards/Clinton/Biden/Gore is actually in the White House in January 2009, and even for a few months afterwards, I will worry about losing the American Dream.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:57 AM
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14. I wasn't listening to rumors. Nobody was activated and after the
smoking gun, there was no doubt ... the first impeachment vote was a formality. The question was what to do w/a disgraced president - and the left lost popular support by not understanding the office is different from the individual who holds it.

Yes, it's been a lawless regime, but not the first and no doubt not the last. We've made it before ... and it helps, now as it did then, to rely on authoritative sources.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:04 AM
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15. right you are
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 08:05 AM by onenote
There was some doubt for a period of time as to whether Nixon would resign or try to stay and fight, but once it was reported that he was going to resign, no one seriously thought he'd do otherwise. And while the military was put on a heightened state of alert after the resignation (I was working for the Army (as a civilian) at the time), it was because of concern that some country might think that the US changing presidents in mid-stream would present an opportunity for mischief, not because of any concern about domestic unrest.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:30 AM
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18. I think the deal with Ford and the pardon and everything
made it easy for tricky dick to go... and it was all put into place before the resignation.

But the point is... the crowd NOW in power is worse than Nixon. Nixon had no one to turn to at the end. Bush has his theocratic base, the ones that want a white cross on the blue field of the American flag instead of the 50 stars. And the neocons that run the show... they haven't completed the task of truly establishing a American empire backed by an overwhelming military, including a space based military presence. The goals outlined by the PNAC documents haven't been met, in fact have really only just begun. If they can't get another PNACer in (McCain or Rudi are their most likely favorites to continue the policies begun under Bush... endless war, forward positioned permanent military presence around Asia and the Middle East to contain and confront Iran and China)... well, that will worry me.

I'll feel much better in 1 year and 3 weeks... I hope.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:04 AM
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20. If I can't make you feel better ... at least I'll arm you w/facts
The crowd now is exactly the same as it was in the 60's ... I'm different, but was part of that scene in the early 70's. * will get lots of accolades he won't have earned, but this is normal for his class and he'll smirk all the way out of DC. No one will cry to see him go.

We've seen the institutions of federal government turn in *'s questionably legitimate regime time and again ... this is natural restorative force to extreme political pressure. There's a new equilibrium developing and this time, we're part of the solution. Back in the 70's, we would have been mere spectators.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:34 AM
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7. Impeachment would still bring them to a dead stop.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:38 AM
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8. Action is being taken. It's just not being reported. Here's a list of the investigations going on
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:51 AM
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10. What good is an investigation without a prosecution?
And what good is a prosecution when immunity is just around the corner?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:21 AM
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11. We've got cats investigat'n dogs and so on and so forth.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:26 AM
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12. Last I heard, more than 50% strongly disapprove of bush.
That was months ago - I wonder what that number is now. I can't wait until bush and cheney are gone forever! I hate knowing they're still there.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:09 AM
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16. It's not the apathy and inaction of the American people, it's the failure
of our elected Representatives to carry out our mandate. We've done everything right, they've just ignored us. If we could muster truly giant demonstrations - millions, not thousands - it might have an effect, but you get to a point where you think you'll make as much of a difference staying in your warm house behind the screen in your jammies sending emails as you will freezing your buns off in the streets. It will be a long, long, long year.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:13 AM
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17. I really think that these thugs will not be held accountable for their
war crimes, we or our sick government will just move on and forget this dark period of our time. What a slap in the face to so many Americans and Americans who lost their loved ones due to these thugs.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:04 AM
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19. Call me a cock-eyed optimist, but..
I'm thinking this is not going to be a good year for the chimp and the dick.
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