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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:04 PM
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Iowa Caucus makes the U.S. look and feel like a banana republic both at home and oversees!
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 10:13 PM by demo dutch
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:07 PM
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1. As opposed to electronic voting and stolen elections? n/t
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:13 PM
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4. Read the NY times article!!!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:09 PM
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2. must be talking about...
the republican debates.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:14 PM
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5. That too, but read the NY times article!
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 10:16 PM by demo dutch
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Under the formulas used to apportion delegates, it is possible that the candidate with the highest percentage of delegate equivalents — that is, the headline “winner” — did not really lead in the “popular vote” at the caucuses. Further, it is possible that a second or third-tier candidate could garner a surprising 10 percent or 12 percent of the popular vote statewide and get zero delegates. (That’s because to be in the running for a delegate a candidate must have support from at least 15 percent of the people at a precinct caucus.) He or she may have done two or three times as well as expected among Iowa’s Democratic voters and get no recognition for it.

"Presidential primaries produce counts of how people actually voted. Iowa’s Democratic caucuses do not."



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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:42 PM
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11. I think it's too late...
to suggest the process is flawed, or without merit, when past elections have been decided by the same results, garnered the same way. That said, I'm not comfortable with the winner takes all opinion of so many...based on those same past results. I like to think that the Iowa results scream that this is a nation that is paying attention, wants to be involved in the process, and is not as brain-dead as so many like to infer.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:10 PM
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3. As President Bartlett said "Democracy is messy, it's hard, and you have to think a lot."
That's what the Iowa caucuses are showing us.

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:18 PM
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6. Baloney! Read the NY times article
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Under the formulas used to apportion delegates, it is possible that the candidate with the highest percentage of delegate equivalents — that is, the headline “winner” — did not really lead in the “popular vote” at the caucuses. Further, it is possible that a second or third-tier candidate could garner a surprising 10 percent or 12 percent of the popular vote statewide and get zero delegates. (That’s because to be in the running for a delegate a candidate must have support from at least 15 percent of the people at a precinct caucus.) He or she may have done two or three times as well as expected among Iowa’s Democratic voters and get no recognition for it.

"Presidential primaries produce counts of how people actually voted. Iowa’s Democratic caucuses do not."
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:18 PM
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7. Hell, I was an actuarial researcher and cannot figure out the Iowa caucaus rules! n/t
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:27 PM
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8. There you go!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:27 PM
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9. 2/3 of the state just went for a Black candidate.
Wha?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:34 PM
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10. You wonder how that will play out for the rest of the country, like ... what about the South,
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 10:35 PM by demo dutch
that's what I'm worried about
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