At what point will Obama's fluff on change, translate into actual hardcore policy positions?

How long can he get away with not being specific?

They all speak for so-called "change,"
but only Edwards speaks specifically
and strongly to the issues and the
problems with the corporations.

made some meaningful commitments to the people of this country.

Hopefully it will happen before the Convention. His health care reform policy is the WORST of any of the Dem candidates, borders on GOP.

you're a black person and you hate Obama. Why? I really want to know what he's done to so annoy you. Thanks. THEN, I'll put you on ignore-maybe.

And so what that I'm African-American. Do you think I should be supporting him just because he's African-American? I've said it before but let me say it again: just because someone looks like me, doesn't mean they represent my interests or values.

Here's why I don't support Obama:

- He's short on substance. It's one thing to give a good speech, but eventually all the rhetoric in the speech needs to translate into hardcore policy.

- One of his first acts as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, was to vote in favor of reporting Condi Rice's nomination out of committe and sending it to the full Senate. I don't believe she was qualifed to be SoS. She didn't even understand her role as National Security Adviser.

- I don't like the way he's run his campaign. I think he's outright lied and been very disingenuous. For example, he claims to be a change agent, yet he's also trying to claim the mantle of Bill Clinton. I just discussed this here on DU the other day. On the one hand, he has said that he doesn't want to re-fight the battles of the 90's which was a swipe at the Clinton years. Then on the other hand, his campaign had him watching tapes of Bill Clinton during the 1992 campaign, and Obama has bragged about the number of people from the Clinton Administration supporting him. He can't have it both ways. Either he wants to be a change agent, OR he wants to be Bill Clinton reincarnated.

- I don't like how his campaign has used the Tom Joyner Morning Show to try to get Black America to engage in group think and simply get behind the Black candidate.

I know nothing about Tom Joyner so I can't comment. Maybe Tom Joyner is the problem? Sounds like Rush supporters.

As for 'change agent', I think Obama had the first word on that, same as 'Fired Up'. What is Clinton's camp doing using those same words?

Again, you might be putting too much emphasis into Tom Joyner. :shrug:

KnowhutImean?

A black person who doesn't like Obama's policies must "hate" or only be annoyed by him since otherwise the race would stick together?

The Obama youth hate college lectures.

to much of anything.

He doesn't support universal health coverage.

But he does support nuclear energy, and coal.

I doubt he is going to reverse NAFTA, CAFTA, or create any real change.

So I would like to hear some specifics from Obama.

I still peg him as Republican-lite.

Oooooookay. :eyes:

conditions and change which make present look good.

Change What, how and Why??

after he leaves office

doesn't mean jack shit to me. I've seen it many times before. He's probably sitting with his advisors right now asking them, "Okay, now what do I do?"

Until then, well...he's apparently going to keep on dominating that narrow venue, if only as homage to Kennedy, Reagan, and Clinton, who likewise dominated the venue.

I'm also not sure he's been quite as specifics-deprived as you say. Do you have specifics for your claim?

be patient, be grateful we have a Barack Obama...

He does not support universal health care and seems to want to leave these leach-like insurance companies in charge.

There is no such thing as clean coal.

I'd like specifics on instances when he managed to push corporations to agree to make a lot less money without using hardball tactics. Just when was he able to make nice? I'd sure like to hear about it.

I also want to hear about his plans for the retirement of those of us over 50. You know, those baby boomers of whom he does not speak well. I get the distinct impression that he is prepared to throw us under the train because someone practiced "free love" back in 1969.

dollars to donuts, hillary and maybe even bill take the gloves off and go for obama's throat.

this sounds ugly but it is democracy and i love democracy.

hillary's impending attacks on obama are going to force him to actually say something for once.

his response to that pressure will determine his level of success through the rest of this process.

When I talk to my friends, who all work in politics, and are intimately involved in it, they can't tell me anything about his positions.

Most likely "experienced" government officials and corporate execs.

He will suddenly transform into a liberal and say "Got ya!!!

I hope he'll say, "Psych! Now it's time to go arrest Bushler and Cheney." :D

And how will this affect him bringing about "change"? And hasn't he mentioned social security being "broken" and needs to be "fixed"? Something about this is beginning to stink. I really think Edwards is the best agent of change away from corporate dominance. I think Obama may play ball with the corporate power structure.

And that's pretty fucking fluffy in my book.

I'll keep making my greenhouse/wind turbine/hydroponics plans if nobody minds.

HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE

I have spent my entire political life from 1967 hearing that damned word.

DO NOT TELL ME TO "HOPE" ANYMORE. Give me REAL, DOABLE PROCESSES.

Of course, most of the rest of the pack hasn't had anything real to say, except for Edwards' "Take on the Corporations" talk. I like THAT for a change.

As to your question, Bush got "selected" in 2000 and 2004 on less than that. Obama can keep up his HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE speil right into the White House if it keeps on working for him.

No offense to the Obama supporters in the crowd, but I have this picture in my mind of him sitting in the Oval Office saying " I HOPE I can come up with some REAL stuff here."

But that was then. Obama's going to need to be more specific than shouting "Hope!" and leading high school cheerleading at evangelical style rallys.

right here: http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

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