Anyone else excited about Huckabee?

No, I can't see myself voting for a Republican, but I'm nearly as excited about Huckabee's victory as I am about Obama's. Why? Because in 2004 my choices for president were two Ivy League Yalies from the Skull 'n' Bones club with lineage going back to British royalty and money shooting out of their asses. In 2008 I have two self-made men who, I believe, are sincere in their beliefs, whether I agree 100% with those beliefs or not. That's so encouraging in what it says about our country and system I can't adequately express it.

Yeah, yeah, Huckabee's a "Born Again nut job." But you know what I like? He's sincerely a Born Again nut job! It's not a pose to con a few religious idealists into casting a vote, this guy really believes what he's saying! Like it or not, that in itself is a breath of fresh air! Yes, I know the cocktail party Liberal types who gather here might find his prairie populist stance smirk-worthy, but...even if I wouldn't vote for him, I find myself liking the guy and being happy for his success. Better him than a corporate raider like Romney.

And Obama...nothing needs to be said. You know how amazing what we've seen tonight is.

Driving home tonight I only hoped there would be a fresh episode of The Office on NBC. I couldn't have imagined the exciting, history-making night of television I was in for. For the first time this decade I'm happy to be an American.

that the GOP puts out. This year ought to be a real hoot.

Huckster and his prayer circle will be a blessing for Our Nominee.

sincerity is not always a virtue.

Msongs

:eyes:

His government and party were the most duplicitous in history.

"sincerity is not always a virtue."

And the opposition isn't always a fascist-- regardless of how dramatic it may sound.

them all. People underestimate the danger-in 1932 Hitler only had a 30% approval of the Germans...the rest is history

the 23%-Sales-Tax, quarantine-the-gays Gawd Warrior just might not be a "breath of fresh air."

David Duke believes every word that comes out of his mouth too.

Huckabee is the WORST thing that could ever happen to what's left of this country.

His victory is NOT good news.

He's George 2.0

Only this time, this idiot is the real thing, as opposed to George, who was just playing a part.

We ignore him at our peril. I would hope after what happened in 2000, we would have learned.

Those who do not learn from history.....

I would much rather our nominee(whoever he or she may be) go up against Giuliani or McCain.

The last time we got a a down home folksy (seeming) guy on the other side we ended up in Iraq.

No one should underestimate Huckabee's appeal to the "regular joe and jane."

concerned about Huckabee. I worked 3 elections in a row against Bush. All 3 times, I encountered countless liberals who laughed off his jocular, down-home appeal and just knew that we were going to beat him handily 'cause folks would see through his personality and pay attention to the issues and his policies.

Let me tell you, Huckabee is a better candidate than Bush ever was. Yet, once again, I see out of touch liberals mocking him and his candidacy. Big mistake.

I've heard it on TV that the repug party as a whole won't get behind him. Why is that?

He does talk about taking care of people and the Republicans can't have that.

The guy I fear is McCain.

Huck is an idiot who doesn't deserve to be prez. IMO.

the middle class. Don't let that thin-veneer Jesus shit fool you.

I think the main line pukes will de rail him somewhere along the way.
After all he's just a thieving hillbilly, not an ally of the BFEE.
Hopefully that will disrupt the integrity of the fundie voting block.

I'm looking forward to some smokin' snake-handling and the return of Prohibition!

Woo hoo! Party like it's 1919!

to see him get his ass whooped by the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be.

HA! I suspected you might not get what I was saying. Let me write the rest of the replies for you: "Sure, I can support a man who thinks he has more right over a woman's body than she does!" "Yeah, and the Grand Wizard of the Klan is sincere, too!" "He'll deploy armies to shoot abortion doctors!"

Yeah. The point is, he was outspent by Romney 15:1 in Iowa. Maybe like me, you had become disinterested in the political process after 2004, figuring corporations were well in charge, and only a ultra well-funded candidate stood a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. But now a former preacher and governor of a poor state is in the running, ahead of a guy with $250 million in the bank. A David won against Goliath, if you'll excuse the cliche. Consider Romney or Thompson, the TV star, have the same kooky agenda, but they lost. TV fame and cash couldn't buy you the hearts of the people. Don't you see some good in that?

His ideas are atrocious. They rely on overly simplistic, unworkable solutions to complex problems, with references to God filling in the gaps. That's a quick-and-easy formula for catastrophic governance. I find oversimplification, antiintellectualism, and religious pandering to be all more destructive forces than financing, and thus I find his win more disheartening than I would Romney's.

huckabee is no exception. however if he becomes the president, he will be guided by corporatists.

are reeling tonight dontcha think???

The Revenge of the Fundies and the revenge of the Dems?????

Um, no.

This lesbian is not particularly happy tonight.

I don't think they thought he had a chance at the time so they both joked with him. I wonder what they think now?? Did their shows help him? It showed how friendly he was especially towards democrats.

All I know is one of my daughters is religious and independent and she wants to vote for him...ugh.

...even it if WAS delayed by several months.

A religious huckster selling moonshine and bullshit to the gullible. He hasn't changed since his preacher days.

Don't fall for it.


"The secret of success is sincerity; once you can fake that you got it made!"

:puke: The repukes can have him.

find that you aren't so happy with his sincere beliefs.

And looking at that pin-stripe holiday photo of his family-- I'd say that his family are also not very happy about his sincere beliefs.

and IMO he's using the same shtick of being a good old boy you want to be buddies with while he deflects questions with his lame jokes.

I like that he didn't even get 1/3 of the votes Obama did tonight or even 1/2 the votes Edwards and Hillary got. I think all the Dems would have to do is show a picture of his creepy son as often as possible if he were to get the 'pub nomination. I don't think Americans would care to have Bubba the dog-killing son in the White House. Then again, the current occupant used to get off by blowing up frogs, and now, people. I think America is sick of that kind of Republican garbage.

It's a slap in the face for the Republican establishment.

They've cultivated a base of religious base and used them like sheep for years. Well now the bill is due in the form of Mike Huckabee and it represents a split that has been talked about for years but never amounted to much in real terms.

What you said about Huckabee coming from a small state with humble personal origins. It points straight to the class gap in the Republican party. Those masses who have been voting against their own interests all these years manipulated into following an ivy league/banker/corporate elite that actually decides policy and reaps all the economic benefits. Meanwhile, this "base" is expected to follow the program, accept middle class decline while celebrating the growing wealth of their masters, be good little taxpayers, vote for who they are told and send money to the Republican party.

Tomorrow Fox news, rush limbaugh and the rest of the Republican noise machine, in horror, will redouble their efforts to smear huckabee. It's like watching a play gone wrong in football. Lots of fun to watch if you are for the other team!

You seem to get what I'm saying, and have an interesting additional spin. Lately I've talked to a different breed of Republicans, the blue collar, countrified type led to the slaughter by the Ivy League/corporate/banker elite. I find them to be well-meaning people who believe the Golden Rule, "Love they neighbor," etc. They vote for people like Bush because they think he's one of their own. In fact I even know a woman with a Master's degree in Nursing from Emory who thinks this.

But Huckabee, as you point out, is really one of them, and they're excited about him, while the part elite are not. I'm completely against legislating morality, but moved by someone who's at least sincere.

Whether Republican or Democrat, it's just nice to see the status quo overturned anywhere, anytime.

It's not about supporting Huckabee it's about watching the structured "permanent majority" Karl Rove had envisioned get another black eye and it's about an underdog toppling the ruling elite. I happen to like both!

In effect the victory of Huckabee is the religious right finally coming forward to demand payment for services rendered. The Republican party has been living off this unbalanced relationship for years . . . the party gets unquestioning loyalty, donations, organization, field presence and everything else a good soldier provides. What do they get in exchange? Laughed at privately and promises that get pushed off until next year.

Well, it looks like they've finally come for payment, it's evidence of breakdown of the system the Republican party has been living off for years. Bottom line: this is good for us as it represents more than just some fraying at the edges of their political machine.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support or underestimate Huckabee but I'm having a great time watching this play unfold.

I've got to say, My 16 y/o son and I watched Huck last night on Leno. He had both of us laughing together, that felt so good. I can't remember the last time a republican had us laughing in a happy goofy way. Imus maybe, but that's about it. I hope Huck gets the nom for GE, it will lessen the tension at my politically split home.

And that's good to see. But the problem is that the "countrified" people on one side of that split have a disproportionate amount of electoral power under our system. Rural Republicans can keep Ohio and Florida red, even without the blessing of the puppetmasters at the top of the party. And that's why Huckabee worries me.

of Hunkapee in the whitehouse makes me want to kick my own ass.

These radical religious right scare the piss out of me but there are a couple of things that give pause on Huckabee.

The first is that the GOP hates him. That's a very good sign. They hate him on economic issues, which is an extremely good sign
because we all know they are completely corrupt, doing the bidding of corporations and special interests.

The second interesting thing that Republicans voted for him in Iowa. That means that most Republicans are also sick of corporate corruption in their party.

Yes, they may want to turn women back into property and all of the rest of the religious radical right but overall, someone just hit on something very bi-partisan, middle class economic issues and that gives me some hope actually.

Please note Obama has some very bad corporate votes on trade, sorry, but it's true.

your Photoshop prowess. :rofl: :spray:

:hi: ... assuming you are somewhere near Lugano. :D

Mornin', sunshine! :hi:

That won't play well with the "fry-'em or let 'em rot forever" types.

DuMond had admitted in open court, in an earlier trial, to bludgeoning a man to death with a claw hammer. He was given immunity in exchange for testimony against his 2 co-murderers.

It was AFTER this incident he was tried, convicted, released on the rape charges.

Then, of course we know it was AFTER THAT when he raped and killed two MORE women.

Huckabee KNEW he was a murderer when he personally campaigned for his freedom.

Anyway, just wanted to make sure those bits were out there.

He has a great chance of becoming the new Bob Dole!

:shrug:

...he'll save his predecessor from the sin of calling attention to flacidity. ;)

You should be scared to death he won tonight.

This entire country should be.

The criminals still have the machines and the Media.

As far as I am concerned, it's 1932 in America.

We had better heed the warning signs that this "sincere" nut job represents.

The fact that you find anything about this man likable is horrifying in itself.

You'd best get to researching him to get over this intoxication and quickly.

If George W. bush represented the beginning of the end, THIS idiot represents the end itself.

America is lost if this guy gets into office.

And yes, go ahead, giggle and snicker, and guffaw, and feel good.

In 2000 we paid a very high cost for it.

This time it will cost us everything.

Foster Brooks could win against a Republican this go 'round.

That's why it's essential that Democrats nominate the most qualified person to deal with the future & cleanup the "strunz" (look it up, if you want a laugh) left behind by the mindless dogs of war -- now sitting in DC's "high chairs."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=strunz

Huckabee would not stand a chance in a FAIR Election.

We haven't had one of those in quite some time.

Do not underestimate the criminals who run this country, or their desire to continue their current agenda.

Huckabee would enable them to do just that.

If you think the past seven years were living Hell, you continue the superior indifference to this particular threat, along with the rest of the country, and see what happens if we get THIS pox on our house.

We'd look back LONGINGLY on these past seven years as the Good Ol' Days if this Madman got into the White House.

The only thing that will make me feel happy about tonight is if it turns out to be a flash in the pan scenario.

...except that maybe the whole corporate corruption apparatus tries to relocate itself into our party. Imagine the scenario of a populist running on the right and a corporate candidate running on the left -- the good part is, the religious right becomes completely marginalized as the minority it is, but the bad is, then we could get single party corporatism for a while.

Whatever, it probably can't go that far, and I take this as a very welcome sign that voters in both parties are waking up and not wanting to be taken to the cleaners anymore. So even if we don't get an Edwards the winner will probably make some effort to distance themselves from straight corporatism. Especially if they've been basing their campaign on a lot of vague noises about "change".

If Obama wins he could well be a charismatic new JFK figure, which hopefully could embolden him to not feel he owes too much to big donors. It would also mean I hope he picks a good veep in case somebody tries to shoot him. I'm guessing if a black guy with a Muslim name is Prez, and he launches a bold agenda, the likelihood of somebody trying to kill him is not insignificant.

Romney? McCain? Thompson? Benito?

see post #26

Rev. Huckabee would take America back to the 12th Century.

Yeah... American in the 12th century.....

* The Inuit Thule people largely displaced the old Dorset culture in arctic Alaska.

* The most important city of the Mississippian culture of mound builders, Cahokia on the Mississippi River opposite modern Saint Louis, Missouri, reached its zenith with a population near 20,000 or perhaps 40,000. No other city in the United States would boast of such a large population until the early days of the Republic.

* Natives of the American Southwest began evacuating their above-ground pueblos to build spectacular cliff dwellings housing hundreds of people in the later half of the century.

* The Native American population of North America probably peaked near the end of the 12th century.

Before you deign to continue, I should inform you I am an anthropologist and geographer. :)

I just don't see how any of that stuff has anything to do with Huckabee. Maybe being an anthropologist and a geographer, you can explain it to me.

:)

I am glad you do not see a correlation between the Inuit and Huckabee. I would become very worried about you.

to explain a statement you made on an internet message board?

I don't understand how Huckabee would take America back to the 12th century. Those are examples of events and the situation in the 12th century of America, as you know.

:D

I guess I'll keep that picture in mind when I think about your skills as an anthropologist.

And I'll keep in mind your unwillingness to provide a simple explanation of your own comments on a public forum. Good to know you're interested in having discussions.

You are trying to start an argument, and continue it by escalating the level of animosity by using ad hominem and passive-aggression.

I'm not trying to start an argument. I didn't understand. Those points are examples of what happened in America in the 12th century, you said you're an anthropologist, I said I didn't understand what it had to do with huckabee and asked you to explain it to me.

If that is trying to start an argument, I don't know how you survive on du. There was not one single ad hominem attack in there, and as for being 'passive aggressive', I would point you to your own posts.

Why not just SAY "When I said that, I meant ... "
If I attacked you at that point, you might have some sort of claim, but to assume I'm trying to start a fight because I don't understand you and make bating responses doesn't give you a leg to stand on.

This is silly. If you are unwilling or unable to tell me what you meant, fine. Whatever. Conversation over.

Did you see post #26?

Just looked at it now. So, that ties in I'm assuming...
You mean he'd take America to 12th century Europe? That makes more sense now

I assumed you saw it, and thus knew I was referring to the European 12th Century Crusades of the Middle East (you know, Richard the Lionheart, Philip Augustus, et al.) :hi:

Much clearer now. Thanks :)

As did his predecessor, Baldwin IV (see the movie Kingdom of Heaven, based
on real events).

It would be nice if the next president followed suit.

If that fails, go here.

I'm pretty sure Swamp Rat and I somehow managed to communicate with each other despite your lack of intervention previously, so your condescending crap still isn't needed.

:D

:hi:

Here's a brand new one, a quickie I did for an Adolf Buchanan thread: :D

...degrees in anthropology!

Nevertheless, degrees are, in essence, pieces of paper which 'officially certify' that the minds of alumnae have been successfully reprogrammed, and thusly sanctioned by the State's elite.

Where's the Jeebus booth? :D

Of course you don't need a degree in anthropology, I didn't bring it up, he apparently thought it had some bearing on my question. Real hilarious, someone asks a question :eyes:

...exactly what you're in contempt of. Being too ardently literal is something I'd expect from a Fundie!

Swamp Rat has a unique sense of humor -- something of great value for all of us trying to keep our sanity in insane times.

Not attacking him. Get over it.

He's not actually playing music on it. Listen to him the next time they show him doing it. I'm sure you'll agree.
The Professor

He toppled the Republican establishment and now civil war will brew there.

Even though I disagree with nearly all of his major policy ideas -- the horrible (un)Fair Tax, booting out all illegal immigrants in 120 days, sending military incursions into Pakistan to get Osama, amending the Constitution to prohibit gay marriage, etc., etc., -- I have found his humility, and yes, even his faith refreshing. I just heard him say tonight that he'd rather work with an honest atheist than a Christian-in-name-only. Huckabee talks about the environment, about making the country better not just for us but for those who come after us, and those are peretty radical ideas for the Republican party.

Honestly, I think he's the best communicator of all the candidates, and that surprises me.

Interesting thread and Welcome to DU!

...if I weren't too old to need the former, and too busy working on my own "ownership" plan for the future to invest in the latter.

I get what you're saying about the appeal of someone who eschews caviar for black-eyed peas with salt pork, but there's a dark underside to his "aw shucks" demeanor.

For the record, I have grave concerns about Obama's closeness to evangelicals, as well.

Can you see either Huckabee or Obama swearing on the Bible that they will honor the separation of church and state? ANd having asked, I'll acknowledge that that's more likely out of Obama than Huckabee, but their religious connections bother me with both of them.

:puke: very scary that there are that many nutjobs in the reThug party to give him such a victory. :-(

He's a man of conviction, after all!

...Barf.

i cant fucking wait :bounce:

Last night Hucklenutz put a huge target on his head, and in turn has torn this corupt party in several parts. I think it was Atrios who has the vision of McCain accepting the nomination with a forced smile on his face as he surveys a party in total self-destruct mode.

The power behind the Huckster are the Dobsons and Perkins and other preachers who were long taken for granted by the GOOP...now the party needs to destroy it or be consumed by it. The RNC right now is trying to figure how to get its party back and which horse they need to ride to rescue it. Mittens? McCain? We'll find out in the next couple weeks...especially in South Carolina.

In the end, he'll get crushed on Tsunami Tuesday as the large states and their parties will rally behind the anti-Hucklenut...be it McCain or Romney. The rupture will be complete as the evangelicals will take their church busses and go home...and the Paulbots will bolt for third party land.

I remember watching throughout '99 as the RNC all but put the money and the machinery in place and then put booshie in the driver's seat. He all but bought Iowa and had Rove, DeLay and others behind the scenes ensuring a smooth nomination. When McCain rose up, they squashed him like a bug. Remember, boooshie had so much cash in '00 that he was the first candidate to bypass matching funding.

I see Hucklenutz more like the '04 Howard Dean on steroids for the GOOP. He's mobilizing a large network and is peaking at the right time. He's taking advantage of the fundie networks and now assures he'll be around through Tsunami Tuesday and the RNC will have to rally around either Mittens or McCain in a showdown.

I also expect the corporate media will turn from curiosity to talking points and the Huckster will be put under a lot more scrutiny. Reading how the heads in freeperland were exploding shows how much anger is headed the Huckster's way.

Cheers...

The comparison with Dean is very good, as is your prediction of the reaction of the Republican establishment. There's one thing that damn near everybody around here misses, Huck's economic populism. Everybody keys on his social stances, not my cup of tea, to be sure, but that is not the only source of his appeal.

I recently sat in on a telephone town meeting hosted by Bob Ingelese(R-SC). Caller after caller hammered on the economy, jobs, healthcare. These were mostly good ol' boys, the folks most here disparage, yet their concerns were those that should be a gimme for Democrats. The occupation(war) also came up a lot, people wanted to know what the hell we're doing over there, when are we getting out. Does this sound like some christofascist monolith? I think people make a grave mistake confusing the pronouncements of self-styled leaders with the people.

Working class concerns are working class concerns, whatever party addresses those concerns will motivate working class voters. Edwards is doing the same, I'd like to see an Edwards/Huckabee contest, that would freak out both wings of the Money Party. But it won't happen, they won't let it happen.

One of the biggest losers last night...and not mentioned by the anal-ists is "illegal immigrants". It scored poorly in Iowa and you would think it would have been a big issue as many undocumented migrants live in the state working the fields and meat packing plants. Hopefully this puts this non-issue to bed for a while...force the GOOP to come up with a new wedge issue. LOL.

The populism rarely sits with the party in power. Except for a Bull Moose party, most populism comes from the opposition and Hucklenutz is no TR. John Edwards is a lot closer, but I suspect he's being swept aside like the third guy on a date. The "Obamamania" vs. the Hillary expectations game is getting the attention and I expect it to intensify in the primaries ahead. Sadly, John didn't place closer to Obama than Hillary...that hurt.

Cheers...

And I think the reasons why are the same that you gave for it being a big issue in that state. The people in that state know immigrants, work along side them and realize their contribution. They are not swayed by the scare tactics.

Neither party owns populism, the working class is up for grabs. If one of the parties would adopt a working class agenda they'd be hard to beat. If they don't, which is what I expect, those working class needs will fester, the more so the longer and more intense populist rhetoric is displayed in the primaries. Undoubably the leadership of both parties would like the primaries decided swiftly in order to avoid that, so they might resume vapid name calling and otherwise content-free politics. For the Money/Business Party stability is everything.

The people are restless, I thinks it's going to be a very interesting year, in that Chinese sort of way.

A family name that had been in the White House before. If were were talking about George W. Smith or George W. Jones, Dubya wouldn't have made it past New Hampshire in 2000.

Huckabee has a family name that makes us laugh. That's about it.

I'm reading a book on Mayor Daley's Chicago right now, and what always strikes me as interesting about the machine era of Democratic Politics is the treatment of the black vote by Democrats. Northern blacks were among the most loyal Democratic voters in the 60s and 70s and consistently elected candidates who couldn't have given less of a damn about them. Evangelicals are the most loyal of Republican voters and I honestly can't name three major policy battles that they have won in the last 30 years.

Huckabee, like Jackson, is the candidate who can't win the general election but can enter the primaries and say, "Look...they need us a lot more than we need them." And in a primary, the candidate who can dominate the largest single voting bloc is really dealing from a position of strength.

(reference to huckabee not obama. i think obama is pitiful on gay rights, but i wouldnt call him a homophobe)

I have no stomach for any candidate who panders to the delusional religious believers.

Coupled with a statist willingness to wait for the government solve all our problems and let the government fight corporations for us (which will never happen -- the system of government we live under has been sanctioned and ordained BY corporate elite and not the other way round since the 1700s).

Anti-clerical nonsense destroyed the Spanish left in the 1930s, is destroying the American left today since the only people who have a credible claim to leftist politcs are the working class and they do not share the virulent anti-religious sentiment of the secular techno-elite (I refuse to call them liberals until they go to the mat for public housing, putting a stop to free trade and restoring welfare and universal healthcare, not mandatory corporate healthcare like your favorite candidate probably wants -- they all do.)

Just because entitled (i.e. wealthy) preachers oppose religious sentiment does not mean their congregations are inherently opposed to your ideology (although it does mean left ideology is useless without them since support for the working class is required to be a true liberal, I thought). Small businessmen are by-and-large small-minded
conservatives for the same reason, they have their little power fiefdoms under the current system. Small businessmen are statistically far more conservative than most pastors in the US, many more of whom are liberal. Does that mean we should oppose small business?

If religion is not allowed to motivate anyone on the left, then only right wing assholes will be allowed to express their religious beliefs.

Most people who vote against their own interest do so because they think the left wing, which they would otherwise agree on most issues, hates them for their beliefs.

(And no, it's not right for us to do it just because they hate other people for THEIR beliefs -- most Americans hate SOME class of people, usually the poor in their own midst, because they prevent property values from going up, and the Saudis, because they prevent us from having limitless cheap oil to allow them to continue living in their enlightened, exclusive blue techno-burbs.)

This is not to argue against freedom of religion, mind you. But freedom of religion was not intended as an anti-religious message. In fact, it was pushed BY THE BAPTISTS because they didn't want to be dominated and persecuted by the Anglicans and the Catholics. The Baptists were considered to be rabble-rousers of the poor.

to move beyond this delusional suspension of disbelief. Period. Harris postulates that the time for religious tolerance is long past because moderation in religion poses considerable dangers of its own: as the accommodation we have made to religious faith in our society now blinds us to the role that faith plays in perpetuating human conflict.

He'll fall apart in the general and we'll get our guy/gal in there. So I definetly like where Huckabee takes us, even if I don't heart Huckabee personally.

Plus, he's more palatable than Guliani to me. Anybody's better than Guliani, except perhaps George W. Bush. Or Jeb Bush.

But who cares, 'cause no way Huckabee sees the oval office. No way.

He's sincerely a Born Again nut job!

Yep. And there will be mistakes he made, such as the pardon of the rapist who was the darling of the anti-Clinton crowd.

"His judgment was clouded," should make a good catch-phrase.

I'm excited only because he's a divisive and polarizing figure within the deep ranks of the GOP. The organizations they've used and abused over the past twenty-five years (main stream American religion) has, for all intents and purposes, outgrown its status as tool and sees itself as the wielder finally.

I have a suspicion that Huck actually makes the Republican establishment a bit nervous-- his is a subtle but effective theocratic agenda rather than a corporate agenda.

The more headway he makes during the primaries, the more splintered the GOP base will be come Nov. There will be no one overwhelming consensus of opinio and single-minded obsession on particular agendas on their side anymore-- which had been one of the GOP's major strengths.

:)

besides it's just too much watching the master manipulators who have been using the religious right for their own Satanist motives get what they have long wished for so insincerely

:hi:

Without a real leader to choose from, it was easy for a fringe group (evangelicals) to score a win in the heart of their home territory.

The GOP primaries are going to be all over the map.

...with the "football" into the Oval Office and presses the Rapture Button.

He'd be easy to kick the crap out of in the GE so yes, I am excited about him.

Julie

husbands. He doesn't believe in EVOLUTION! E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N. He's anti-choice.... The man is as CRAZY as any RW wacko religious nut job Southern BAPTIST preacher could be! I'm just hoping the RNC machine lets the guy get to the GE....I doubt they will though. There's no way in hell he could win against a Democrat.

Expect a ton of garbage to come out on Huckabee now. They were just waiting to see how well he did in Iowa. Now that they know the evangelicals are out in force, they will take Huckabee down and soon.

The President does not have power to stop Evolution, but they
do have power to stop SOCIAL DARWINISM and FREE TRADE GLOBALISM.

However I suspect Obama will spurn, say, Edwards as VP because
the Clinton wing (i.e. DNC) will force him to pick a centrist
hawk as VP "or else we'll abandon you in the general" like they
threatened to abandon Kerry if he got too liberal. (Remember?)

The centrist, free trade DLC would love to see Huckabee in the
White House -- "heighten the contradictions" and soften the
public up for an Establishment figure to run the Democratic Party
on a platform of fear and hatred as Giuliani and Hillary have
been doing, trying to parlay the effective duopoly of
Bush and Bill Clinton, or Reagan vs. Khomeini. Figures
which were quite cordial with one another behind the scenes.

The NYT today simultaneously praised Obama and trashed Edwards
for not supporting free trade globalism. That should tell you something.

At least it did for the past two elections. They don't want to elect someone who is intelligent (smarter than they are?).

by Joe Bageant.

It describes the general sentiments in the OP quite well.

Not slamming them here, just understanding them.

He openly believes in infusing religion into his politics. And he's so far right in social conservatism that he favors BANNING THE PILL as a form of contraception, saying that it destroys life!!! This guy is as scary as hell. Don't let the fact that he can put sentences together, unlike Bush, fool you.

destruction of life of all those thousands of sperm! :rofl: