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biscotti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:36 AM
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Anyone heard of Professor Joseph Olson U Minn.
I just received the most disgusting forwarded email from my brother-in-law. I think I have seen this explained on D U previously. I did a search but couldn't find it. I am so angry I need guidance to respond to the distorted statistics etc. Hope it is OK to show it here.
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I have heard this before, about the life expectancy of a democracy, but not equated in these terms. It is a rather scary scenario, since we are moving closer to the projected end time of a democracy. We have seen it coming, but did not see it happening! What are we going to be leaving to our children??

How Long Do We Have ?
This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.
I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."
"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years"
"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:"
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty; 4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.
Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
If you are in favor of this then delete this message. If you are not then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.


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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:39 AM
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1. Snopes
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 11:41 AM by Hong Kong Cavalier
Your brother's been fooled. Or an idiot. (My brother sent me the same email.)

And it's Hamline, not Hemline. If they're going to lie, at least they could spell the fraking university correctly.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:42 AM
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2. Olson didn't write it, and disavows it. It's tripe, all of it.
Olson says this at his law school faculty web page: http://www.hamline.edu/law/professors/joseph_olson.html


"DISCLAIMER: There is an e-mail floating around the internet dealing with the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scotish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, etc. Part of it is attributed to me. It is entirely BOGUS as to my authorship. I've been trying to kill it for 3 years. For details see: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp."


Snopes deals with the issues of truth/lies: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:43 AM
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3. Here you go:
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biscotti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:54 AM
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4. Thank you for responding
He has been trying to push my buttons all of a sudden. He is a gop Texas air-head blow-heart. I really have to restrain myself from using profanities when responding to him.
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