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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:06 PM
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If Hillary Had Run for the Senate from Her Home State of Illinois...
... Barack's unfair "neighboring state advantage" would've disappeared, right?

Yeah, right.

KO rocks: his description of Hillary's appearance in the NH pizza joint tonight? "Hold the anchovies, heavy on the revisionism."

- Dave
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:31 PM
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1. Too funny.
Of course, if Hillary actually had run for the U.S. Senate from Illinois, she would have lost the primary (either to Durbin in 2002 or Obama in 2004).
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:41 PM
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3. Well, Thank Heavens Her New Homestate of NY Is a NH Neighbor...
... right?

; )

- Dave
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:35 PM
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25. Caaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaarpetbagger
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:48 PM
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26. A Label That Will Stick...
... as the primary calendar turns to warmer climes.

- Dave
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dannofoot Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:40 PM
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2. As an Illinois voter...
If it had been Hillary Clinton versus Alan Keyes, I would have....

left the voting booth with that section blank.

Knowing that the KeyesMonster could never have won, that doesn't mean I have to vote for the other...
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:43 PM
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5. barak is just lucky that 7-of-9's ex-hubby was such a horn-dog...
had ryan not had those swing-club skeletons in his closet, obama might not have made it to D.C.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:26 PM
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11. I Applaud ...
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 09:27 PM by CorpGovActivist
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeri_Ryan">Jeri Ryan for taking such a painful step and airing it.

1. She exemplifies a demographic difference on how women treat cheaters.

2. She rocked as 7 of 9.

- Dave

P.S. She also lends credence to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale">Kinsey's research. As 7 of 9, she dropped me to a 5.99.

; )
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:22 AM
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13. save your applause...jeri didn't "air it"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeri_Ryan


In 1990, while dealing blackjack at a charity event, Jeri Lynn met investment banker and future political candidate Jack Ryan. The couple married in 1991 and had a son, Alex, in 1994. Throughout the marriage, Ryan and her husband took turns commuting between Los Angeles and Chicago for their careers, but finally divorced in 1999. Although Ryan mentioned (in an interview for Star Trek), that the frequent separations had been difficult for the marriage, the reasons for the divorce were kept sealed at their mutual request.

Five years later, when Jack Ryan's Senate campaign began, the Chicago Tribune newspaper and WLS-TV, the local ABC affiliate, sought to have the records released. Both Jeri and Jack agreed to make their divorce records public, but not the custody records, claiming that their release could be harmful to their son.

On June 22, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider agreed to release the custody files; the decision generated much controversy because it went against both parents' direct request and because it generally reversed the early decision to seal the papers in the best interest of the child. It was revealed that, six years previously, Jeri had accused Jack Ryan of asking her to perform sexual acts with him in public, and in adult clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris. Jeri Ryan described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling." Jack Ryan denied these allegations. Although Jeri Ryan refused to comment on the matter during the campaign, the document disclosure led Jack Ryan to withdraw his Republican candidacy for an open United States Senate seat in Illinois (which was eventually won by Barack Obama)."
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:39 AM
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14. That's a Tough One...
... and I wonder how the media outlets caught wind of it in the first place?

- Dave
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:28 PM
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31. the divorce was public record, except for the sealed stuff...
and i imagine that it was just routine background investigation of a candidate.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:42 PM
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32. Maybe So n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:47 AM
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16. This is Obama's
fate no matter what the speculation of what might have been.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:58 AM
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18. Play It As It Lies...
... as the saying goes in golf.

- Dave
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:18 AM
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20. It is what it is or
"dagwagging" as the Ojibwe say.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:10 PM
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24. Obama was beating him in the polls before that came out.
Thanks for playing!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:55 PM
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27. Did the Obama Campaign...
... ever comment, on the record, about whether they had anything to do with the forced release of those records?

- Dave
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:16 PM
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34. Obama had nothing to do with it.
It was the Chicago media outlets that pressed the issue in court. Neither Obama nor his campaign was a participant in any of the legal manuvering.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:26 PM
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30. i don't actually remember it being that way...
do you have anything to verify that?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 04:53 PM
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33. I'd Be Curious As Well n/t
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:40 PM
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35. Obama led Ryan by over 20 points even before the records were unsealed.
From CNN:

Ryan withdrew in June after court documents were unsealed in which his ex-wife alleged that he asked her to engage in sexual activity in front of patrons at sex clubs. Ryan denied the allegations. (Full story)

But Obama was a favorite even before Ryan left the race.

A Chicago Tribune/WGN-TV poll showed Obama with a large lead. The poll in late May showed Obama leading Ryan 52 percent to 30 percent. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

And a survey of 600 voters showed only 29 percent had a favorable opinion of Ryan, while 46 percent had a favorable opinion of Obama, the Tribune reported.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:55 PM
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6. As a Virginia Voter...
... there is NO WAY she'll get my vote in the 02.12.08 primary.

- Dave
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:42 PM
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4. Hillary coulnd't hack it in Illinois.
Politics is at a whole other level here.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:55 PM
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7. Yeah you got to beat heavyweights like Alan Keyes instead of Guiliani/Lazio
Obama has by far the skimpiest resume of all the remaining candidates in either party.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:57 PM
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8. He beat the Chicago machine
repeatedly and a self funded millionaire candidate. If you really believe that defeating Keyes is all Obama has done then you need to study up on him.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:16 PM
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10. Well, the Self-Funded Millionaire...
... had some other issues.

Can we expect to see stuffed ballot boxes in Chicago?

; )

- Dave
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:54 PM
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12. Obama's not even the first African-American senator from IL to run for POTUS
This guy is no big deal. An empty suit with a pretty face who votes "present". Right now he's what Democrats project on him. Soon he'll be what Corporama wants you to think he is. Rove bragged that he would have people thinking war hero Kerry was fighting for the Vietnamese by the time the election was over.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:05 AM
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19. Yeah, Obama is no big deal. Tell it to Illinois AND Iowa.
Be sure and tell all the Iowa caucus goers you think they are fools too--ok? They love when you do that. It really advances the discussion.


:puke:


Laura
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:08 PM
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9. She Can't Hack It in WV or VA or KY, Either...
... and kudos to Obama for all of his coal mining memorabilia in his Senate office.

- Dave
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:44 AM
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15. KO said that about
hillary? Wow..I thought he was all about hillary?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:51 AM
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17. I Dunno...
... I haven't seen the bias some say he has for her.

Yup, he took a big swipe at her tonight.

- Dave
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:23 AM
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21. Good...cause she
is being a revisionist, chameleon, and everything else that isn't steady and true.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:26 AM
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22. With Your Avatar...
... I'm not surprised you'd say that.

; )

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:59 PM
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23. I'm Trying to Find the Video of KO...
... tearing into her for her revisionism.

- Dave
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:53 PM
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28. Thanks..I'm just glad
you told us.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 03:07 PM
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29. KO's Delivery of the Line...
... was extra wry, extra dry, and paired well with my meal.

; )

- Dave
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