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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:29 PM
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Help America hear from a real democrat
Dennis wants to air this ad during the debate he is being excluded from.

I'm asking everyone who is pissed off by our current leadership to kick in what you can to let it run.

Forget for a moment the viability of his candidacy, and think of the opportunity to get that message out during the debate. It's worth $10 just to piss the leadership off!

-Hoot
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 08:34 PM
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1. K & R -- Dennis should be heard.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:31 PM
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2. Thanks! I think so too. n/t
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:41 PM
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3. I don't understand why he's being excluded. Who determines that? nt
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:45 PM
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4. I just sent in a donation for his ad
Does anyone know what time the ad will run?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:52 PM
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5. An awesome commercial.
Why did he toss in the towel 2 days before the Iowa caucus and lend his support to Obama if he wants to continue his run?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:08 PM
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6. He knew he wasn't viable in the caucuses... as to Obama
Your guess is as good as mine, but I suspect that he'd rather run against Obama elsewhere than Edwards (who is my least evil choice of the front 3)

-Hoot
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:16 PM
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7. Yes. I changed my
DU icon last night from DK to the peace sign (:cry:) and have pledged my support to JE. Let's hope that Dennis continues his outspoken manner in advocating for peace and justice.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:22 PM
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9. Dennis is not quitting the race!
Tuesday, January 01, 2008

DES MOINES, IA: Democratic Presidential candidate and Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich opened the New Year by publicly asking his Iowa supporters to vote for him in the caucuses this Thursday, and suggesting that if he did not make the 15% threshold, their second ballot should be for Senator Barack Obama. "This is obviously an 'Iowa-only' recommendation, as Sen. Obama and I are competing in the New Hampshire primary next Tuesday where I want to be the first choice of New Hampshire voters.

"I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade. This is an opportunity for people to stand up for themselves. But in those caucus locations where my support doesn't reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change."

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/newsroom/kucinich-urges-supporters-to-back-obama-on-second-iowa-ballot/
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:25 PM
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10. And who did he toss it to is
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:52 PM
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12. It's simple. Kucinich wants to get to the number 3 spot, and Edwards is there
Edwards and Kucinich compete for many of the same voters. By asking his supporters in caucuses where he didn't make the 15% threshold to vote for Obama, Dennis was just helping his own candidacy. It had nothing to do with who Dennis likes the best among his competitors, it had everything to do with moving up in the pack, and with keeping the nomination from being sewed up early.

Why is that baffling?

In 2004, it was the same strategy. Dean and he were the anti-war candidates, Edwards wasn't running a populous anti-poverty campaign. Dean ideologically was his main competitor.

What's baffling to me is how difficult it is for some people to grasp basic political strategy.


Here's another example. Today Hillary talked about being an agent of change and she also talked about why she should be the candidate for the young. You might notice she didn't bash the corporations, she didn't talk about poverty in America. Why do you suppose she chose what she did to talk about?

It's because Hill sees Obama as her main competitor for the voters that she believes should be, ideologically, hers. She doesn't see the need to compete with or co-opt Edwards' themes and issues because she sees Obama as her main competition to moving up in the pack.

Asking your voters to support another candidate in the second ballot at the Iowa caucuses where you aren't viable isn't done because you feel really good about one of your competitors and if you can't get a delegate then you want your friend to get it. It's done to strategically improve your own standing, your own candidacy. What's so hard to understand?
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:00 AM
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14. Thank you,
I need something, anything to make me understand the move that Kucinch made on this.

Normally Kucinich is out in front explaining his moves to the people.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:31 AM
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15. Thank you for explaining it so well.
Honestly, I didn't think it was so hard to figure out either.

Its all about playing the game to your advantage. Dennis knows how to do it and yet when he does, everyone acts like he is either is crazy, full of ego or not a serious contender. What kind of bull is that?

Thanks for your post.:)
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:18 PM
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8. K&R
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:26 PM
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11. lets all invest in sour grapes
that's where I want to focus my energy
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:19 PM
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13. Contributed K&R n/t
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