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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:21 PM
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'One of the Greatest Political Upsets in History'.....Tim Russert
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 11:21 PM by spanone
hillary over obama

i'm not a historian, but i would dispute that claim.

it may have been one of the greatest polling fuckups in history.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:21 PM
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1. Me too.
I rolled my eyes at that.

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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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2. One of the greatest political assholes in history...Tim Russert
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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3. It is certainly one of the most unexpected.
Clearly, no one - including Hillary and her staff, more than likely - expected this.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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6. that's because of the totally useless polling.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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13. I wonder if NH voters just said to Hell with the pollsters
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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4. whatever---something sure went wrong with the Polls
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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What BS. Why not mention the 17% undecided. If you want to talk about political upsets
why not talk about the stealing of the 2000 election?



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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:27 PM
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21. Because that may take intelligence and fore thought, He has neither.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:29 PM
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29. Oh /nt
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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5. hey if you don't have facts, you have to have propaganda
and exaggerated language.
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forsberg Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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7. he's right, it wasn an amazing comeback in as short period of time
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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8. Hasn't she been "favorite" for 2 years now?
"upset"?

WTF?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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9. He just compared it to Ali vs Frazier
Gawd he is a dube.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:24 PM
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15. I thought that was the one thing good he said
two great "fighters" and champions
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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10. Clearly, Tim Russert is not a historian either.
Of course, we all failed to calculate the influence of Chris Mathews flaming Hillary, so history was changed!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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11. "One of the greatest spewings of gas in history"...Burt Worm
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 11:38 PM by BurtWorm
on Tim Russert. Also hyperbole, as Russert does nothing but spew great amounts of gas.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:33 PM
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33. Marathon Gas
Man.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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12. Yeah... i think this makes the Media 0-2
Wasn't Hillary "suppose" to win Iowa... just by a small margin? WRONG. Now Obama is suppose to blow out NH.. Wrong Again.

Let me say this.. as an Obama supporter.. i hope to GOD he goes into SC down by 5 - 10%.. that seems to be your best shot at winning with these current "polling" strategies.

Grrrr... for BOTH TEAMS!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:23 PM
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14. Well its an upset for the MSM
they learned its going to be much harder to control the Dem nomination this time around. :rofl:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:24 PM
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16. He's always been full of shit. I would say that 2000 was much more of an upset.
So much so that they swore in the wrong man as President.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:25 PM
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17. That's called "Making a story out of thin air and shit"
What the REAL story is: "The polls, pollsters, and pundits are manipulative assholes playing politics as entertainment"
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:27 PM
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23. that is the truth the upset wasn't the actual vote, it was the expectation of what would occur
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:26 PM
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18. Has a woman won a primary before tonight?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:28 PM
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24. his reference had nothing to do with gender
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:26 PM
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19. They are lying again
HRC was expected to be the nominee by these shills since 2004.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:26 PM
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20. Just Hill's supporters' way of framing her as the underdog. I
If you're stupid enough to buy into it, good on ya. Moran.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:28 PM
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26. good on you moran too
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:27 PM
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22. Russet is a fucking moron. He's supposed to be a journalist, and yet he ignores the #1 issue
of our day: global warming.

He's a fucktard, essentially.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:28 PM
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25. the media is useless. "shocking victory!" "political upset!"
what did they think? Obama would win every single state? It's like these morans have never witnessed a primary before. These two primary votes are often split like that... and Bill Clinton himself lost both Iowa and NH and went on to be prez. Maybe if the media didn't slobbering crown Obama and Huckabee the winners of the whole primary season, they wouldn't be so damn shocked.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:29 PM
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27. so Hillary has gone from presumptive nominee to improbable underdog?
When did this transition occur? Did I miss it? :crazy:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:29 PM
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28. It's one state of the
Union..what about the Obama win in Iowa ..wasn't the inevitable one suppose to win that?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:29 PM
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30. Assholes like Russert have their nose powdered and just begin blathering inanities...
politics really is show biz for ugly people
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:30 PM
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31. Theyll use this to narrativize Sen Clinton to the nomination
That's my feeling and my fear. It seems to me that they need the narrative to make this compelling, they lacked on, and now they have it. Then they can get to work on the general election narrative in a couple weeks.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:32 PM
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32. The media sure knows how to pump up their choices
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