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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:20 AM
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A vote for Edwards, Richardson & Kucinich is a vote for Clinton
I know it's a total flamebait meme even w/ Nader, but let's be real. We know what happened in the 15% threshold in Iowa and its benefit for Obama and Edwards. We know people have very polarizing opinions about Hillary and how she has difficulty in being voters' second choice. We know that Edwards' big shot was in Iowa and numbers suggest he has no chance in the upcoming pre super tuesday primaries. Right now, Edwards is a king maker. By staying in, he makes it much more challenging for Obama.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:21 AM
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1. I'm with Hillary.
I don't see the problem with votes going to Hillary.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:41 AM
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9. Why not just vote for Jeb Bush then?
And don't come crying to me when this country
continues to crumble under the same corporate
hegemonic powers that be.

BHN
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:45 AM
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11. I doubt most Hillary/Obama supporters will be crying.
"The same corporate hegemonic powers that be" must be doing something for them, or they would be supporting a more progressive candidate.

Internet users tend to be better-off financially than average. DU is no exception. People tend to be reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them.

Since I have no money and no ties to business, the corporate world, or any of that, it's no problem for me to support someone who actually represents my interests.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:50 AM
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12. I think it's worse than that... they don't realize that the people holding the leashes
on their marvelous candidates intend to eat them alive.
The cute little puppies are the bait to lure them in.

It's no different than the bushbotulism we have witnessed
for the last eight years, except THIS time, it's in our own party
membership.
People who CHOSE to remain ignorant about WHO is
running this charade of a two party system.

BHN
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:03 AM
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19. Totally agree, BHN
Indeed, it is a charade of a two party system.

Why can't people see that?

Probably because they just don't want to.

DR
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:09 AM
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21. No "probably" about it, in my view.
It's *precisely* because they don't want to.

It's all out in the open. Truth does not hide - that is a myth promoted only by those who want to justify looking the other way. Truth of all kinds is closer than the end of one's own nose. Nothing is hidden - all we have to do is LOOK. It's right there in our faces all the time, but we *choose* not to see it, because we are in love with a lie.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:26 AM
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22. A lie that is easier to deal with than the truth.
Seeing the truth only requires one to open their eyes....which is the easy part..having to face that truth seems to be the harder part.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:53 AM
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26. Yeah. Living with the truth.... "being" the truth.
That's the tough part for all of us. Many don't have the strength to even try.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:22 AM
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2. "numbers suggest he has no chance" - what numbers? The polls?
I don't think we should be making decisions based on polls at the moment.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:27 AM
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5. You would of told Bill Clinton to quit when he didn't win Iowa or the next five primaries...
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:31 AM by GreenTea
in 1992....No fucking quiting...that's bullshit! Edwards is going all the way to the convention!!

48 states left to go!
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:33 AM
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6. Uh, I think we're on the same side of the argument here.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:36 AM by TwilightZone
I'm suggesting that because the polls are very questionable at the moment that we shouldn't use them as the basis for making any decision, specifically Edwards dropping out of the race.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:56 AM
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17. This isn't 1992.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:23 AM
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3. Bullshit! Go tell the guilable Obama moderate light weights your silly conclusions!
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:24 AM by GreenTea
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:24 AM
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4. But what if Edwards loses -- couldn't he broker his delegates
to Obama? Obama + Edwards > Clinton ???
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:36 AM
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7. Ridiculous OP title.... n/t
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:39 AM
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8. *yawn* and war is peace, love is hate.... give it up.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:43 AM
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10. Or it could be a vote for Obama depending on your person.
Frankly, I believe a vote for Edwards, Richardson or Kucinich is a vote for Edwards, Richardson or Kucinich. I know I will not vote for either Clinton, Obama nor Richardson in the primary, so my vote will go to either Edwards or Kucinich. I haven't decided yet which one, but it won't go to either Clinto or Obama.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:23 AM
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13. You say that like it's a bad thing
It's not.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:24 AM
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14. Bullshit!
Edwards actually beat Clinton in Iowa, in case you've forgotten.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:27 AM
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15. Exactly, I like Edwards, but not tonight!!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:53 AM
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16. No, a vote for Edwards
is a vote for Edwards. In 92 Bill Clinton lost in Iowa and NH and that didn't stop him, he went on to get the nomination and the presidency. Edwards can still win the nomination and the presidency too.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:03 AM
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18. ahhh remember Iowa and NH are open states ..repigs could vote for dem candidates
as well as indy's who could be repig lite..

i'LL WAIT FOR CLOSED STATES ..WHEN ONLY DEMS CAN VOTE FOR OUR CANDIDATES!!

i believe Bill lost his first 4 primaries...and then won the nomination..i will wait for dems..real dems ... to vote for our candidates!

fly
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:07 AM
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20. Thank you!!
Edwards especially needs to get the hell out. I love him, but there are more important things right now. Get behind Barack, John. Stop siphoning away the votes that can keep us from having to suffer through the General election and the vicious hatred of Hilary and Bill. We will be in great danger of losing if she is our nominee.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:07 AM
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29. We're in great
danger of losing the General Election no matter who is out nominee...the Blackhearted Republicans play mean...and we ain't seen nothing yet...'04 against Kerry was a warm up for this one.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:28 AM
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23. Actually I was thinking a vote for Obama was a vote for Hillary
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:28 AM
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24. LET YOUR FUCKING CANDIDATE EARN HIS OWN VOTES
and leave us the fuck alone. This is NOT a Nader situation, Edwards is a FINE American and a FINE candidate and a FINE Democrat.
IF there a concern about the votes...then perhaps Obama can bow out? Yeah? How does that make YOU feel?
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:30 AM
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25. You support your candidate and I'll support mine.
I will not be browbeaten into defecting to the other camps because Edwards has "no chance". Fuck that shit.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:00 AM
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27. Is that why Kucinich
threw in with Obama in Iowa rather than Edwards in the secondary voting?
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:04 AM
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28. Fuaaaaaaaaaack!


Now we're gonna turn on fellow Democrats with this weak ass meme? Anything but getting out on the streets and working for the candidate one supports, I suppose....it's much easier to spout garbage on the internets.
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