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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:04 AM Original message |
A must read - Brad Blog on Fishy NH vote - He's hot on the case ! |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. Tempest In A Teapot, Ma'am |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yes - But funny how the turnout you speak of had ZERO effect |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. No, Ma'am, Not In the Least |
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peabody71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
86. How do you stop john Kennedy? You don't let him win. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Don't Be So Sure...GOOP Turn Out Was Higher Than Predicted |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #14 |
29. I don't buy your sell n/t |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
50. It really doesn't matter to them. |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
60. It would be much more productive if you tried to drop the outrage |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. It is not the same as Ohio '04 - please listen |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Well, with all due respect, you are closer to reaching a logical |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. You have it a bit off in the first Paragraph |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. I agree |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
89. Iowa was not Electronic, it was a head count. BIG DIFF! |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
2. Fishy? Someone's hyperbole is showing. |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. So, did you read it? Read it and come back to me again if you |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. I have and I do. |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. sober up :>) I would totally get that -- BUT - the last minute |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Sober up?! |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. good question. I'll look it up to see if I can find it. But, technically |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. But if that split flipped... |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I just had to stop and laugh. Thinking in just one night - all these |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Stranger things have happened. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
52. Why would they be factored into |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:01 AM Response to Reply #15 |
42. I tried out Occam's razor |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:01 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. More likely... |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
4. The internal polling results of BOTH Campaigns being WRONG in exactly the same way? STUNNING... |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. All internals and All externals - but not for anyone else or Republicans. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
44. Eugene Robinson, |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. thanks! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. When were the polls taken? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
67. The polls included ONLY Likely Voters- NH's Unlikely voters skewed the number |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. it did occur to me that the GOP really wanted... |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Or knew they had to run against her (quid pro quo 04) |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Well, cherish that excuse. |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. That's pretty amazing, to me, IMO. I can't even begin to imagine |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. But did nothing for any of their own? |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
10. Screeeeech: "I've just spoken to Bev Harris..." W.T.F.? eom |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
57. Yeah, that's about as far as I got too...nt |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
11. Who is KEN HAJJAR? |
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DianaForRussFeingold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
16. K&R-- UnPrecedented...? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
17. Every campaign I have ever been involved we had supporters make sure to get exit polled and to lie |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Ok - but just the Clinton Dems? No one else lied? All the other |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I'm sure every campaign did it. The Clinton organization has be in place so to speak |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. right - I get it. But - the polls were RIGHT on the money for the |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. You assume someone would not lie about their internal polls? |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Huh? No. That's why it doesn't make sense - both Obama's |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. sorry, I left out a word. they lie about their internal polls all the time |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
64. Why? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. You can use it to effect your opponents GOTV efforts. If they think their voters are voting in |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. That seems overly complicated...... |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
21. I don't know I've been suspicious all along of the polls......... |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I don't know - I find it hard to believe that every single polling |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. For once, thats the $20 mil |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Right - because the only ludicrous way to explain |
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tandem5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
36. exit polls are all that matter. you have an open primary where |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
37. This Is The One That Raised My Eyebrows !!! |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. More On That: |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. But did you read further? Obama's numbers were right ! In other |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #37 |
68. So someone please tell me: Is NH really that racist? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
40. How many Rs voted in the Dem column? |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:37 AM Response to Original message |
43. If we can't fix this by now... |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
45. Iowa Caucases can't be 'fixed', so that Exit Polling there was pretty 'accurate', no? |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Ha. Since when are we here and people like Brad in the Corpo |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #56 |
71. I think you should re-read my post, as I was in agreement that there were no major anomalies in Iowa |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. my apologies ! I take back the Ha |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
47. In light of the US historical election history, a little skepticism |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. You know, I am not accusing anyone here. But - you hit the |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
48. (sigh) This was the second, (repeat for clarity) SECOND primary |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. To me, whether it's the first or the last primary has nothing to do |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
87. This is PRIMARY voting, and to raise conspiracy theories about OUR candidates |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
49. Not to knock Brad, but his efforts were futile here in San Diego |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Yes, it's sad that this goes ignored. My only hope is that this |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
70. Excuse me? With Brad's efforts, CA, CO and OH have de-certified voting machines. What did you do? |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. I'll ignore your immature, insulting ranting if you can connect Brad directly to Bowen's decert |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I get it... You've done NOTHING. Thanks. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
51. He conceded early simply |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
59. Nice post, Bev. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
63. ** THE EXIT POLLS WERE ACCURATE ** |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
91. Skinner |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
66. Go get 'em Brad! |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
69. So.. |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
74. No one is talking motives and benefits. I doubt Democrats could |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. not flipping - adding. Obama got the votes he thought he would get |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
75. So now we just cry foul when the results go different from what we want? |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
76. . |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
81. Seems par for the course to me. |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. cheers. |
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peabody71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
83. kick!!!!!!!!! STOLEN |
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peabody71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
85. You deserve what you get. |
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peabody71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
88. The upset of the century, you ignorant bastards! |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. You are so right. |
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sam kane (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
92. Obama won the hand-counted precincts |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. well, aren't the rural western precincts near VT more liberal? They |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
93. Another possible explanation |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. guess it's possible. I just hate this feeling that we can't trust |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
96. K&R. (nt) |
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