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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:35 AM Original message |
Hillary Clinton and Excitable Women |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'm a woman, and a female candidate using feminine wiles, along |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I have to disagree with you... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. She pulled the gender card--she did it last fall with "the boys" ganging up |
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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. do you think the Clinton campaign planted those "Iron my shirts" guys? |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I actually couldn't formulate a response... |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I thought they were local "shock jocks" |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Yes from WBCN I believe ( out of worcester) |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Yes--too much coincidence. They popped up EXACTLY when she needed |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. And yet you do nothing but play ugly politics here |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Find me some examples of my "ugly politics"-- |
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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. I guess you didn't see this |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Hmmm. Still suspicious. She's used plants before. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Of for christ sake these were not plants |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
39. I imagine that throughout the course of the primaries... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
42. They were asshole shock jocks from WBCN |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
95. While, seems like the type of person we should elect president.... one who calculates their actions. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
69. The "Iron my shirt!" guys were a dumb radio shock-jock stunt. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
72. Did you miss this thread - complete with trolls who loved the prank? |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
90. totally agree |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I agree with you, Velma -- and I'm an Edwards supporter |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
55. yeah its what has pushed me to HRC. i was truly undecided till the misogyny showed up on DU |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Did you really make your decision based on that, rather than |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Never underestimate the power of cheap jack identity politics |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
93. no i was leaning towards her anyhow but had a more open mind to edwards |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
86. Well, just imagine "the misogyny" when the cakewalk is crippled in November |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
63. I, too, like Edwards because |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
71. It's really pissing me off too |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. getting emotion is a feminine wile? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. When it's calculated, yes. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. and you know it was calculated because her campaign shared this fact with you? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. She will act tough when she thinks she needs to, and break down when |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. even the strongest person cries. i think you have some strange standard for strength |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. The men on the campaign trail wouldn't cry, and |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. the men on the campaign were socialized differently from her. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
49. Was Obama "conjuring up tears" when he got choked up at thinking of his mom? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. thank you. when boys cry they are showing their feminine side, when women do it, its either |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I'm not trying to help Obama here. He may very well be done for, and he lost |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
79. What? Throughout history, male politicians in this country have cried |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
70. I think that what caused that VERY, VERY BRIEF moment of |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. I agree. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
74. so men never "calculate" their emotions? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
94. What a load of shit. As if her male mounterparts don't show emotion when it suits them. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. You won't vote for the Dem nominee if it is Clinton? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Probably just stay home. I have had my fill of Clintons and Bushes, and |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. let me boil it down to something simple |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Tired of the SCOTUS gun being held to my head, although it's a strong motivator. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. You are just full of "Hope." |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. remember... |
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Caoimhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. AMEN |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. nice to see them excited. |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. For all the women kept down |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
8. Any woman would be over come |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Any 61 Year Old Would Be Overcome |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
76. Interesting. I haven't heard that ANYWHERE in the MSM. |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
91. she's only where she is because of Bill |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
9. I'm a woman and man jumping and dancing on a stage turns me the hell off |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
32. ". . . and telling people they must have hope...and be inspired." |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
88. "hell if it wasn't for the women in the world to take care of them where in the hell would they be." |
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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
14. Time for baby boomers to let it go. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
77. let what go? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
17. I cannot believe I am reading this on DU- sigh |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I second that n/t |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. care to explain? I'm right here. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Me either |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. you didn't really read it did you? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Yeah, I did. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. look, I gave several reasons and didn't exclude any others |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I think it's important to differentiate... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. well, that may be so. And, I didn't include that reasoning, as you say |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Exactly, The gender issue came into play because of abusive behavior |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I'm always amazed at the inability of some to see (and understand others) beyond their own biases |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
50. It's precisely because it's so prevalent - that it had an impact over the election. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
48. Facialexpressionsgate continues...It backfired. Live with it. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. she, and her campaign went on to exploit it the next day with Diane Sawyer |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. That's hilarious-- facialexpressiongate. It goes to show what a ridiculous dig it is. /nt |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. is anything she does, now, beyond reproach or criticism |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. No, but she is assumed to be posturing no matter what she does. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I really doubt the characterizations of Obama are through |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
56. yeah, 'cuz NO ONE was going to vote for her until she choked up! n/t |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. of course, it's possible to speak about the reaction of SOME women to her posturing |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
78. Exactly. I mean, getting nearly a 3rd of a vote in a tight 3 way race in Iowa |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
57. If she doesn't cry, she's trying to emulate masculinity. If she does she's using feminine wiles. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. wonderfully put! |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. It's a horrible balancing act she has to perform. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I'm not sure the fact that there is no female model of power can be overcome by an individual. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I'm just old enough to have seen my own opportunities advanced |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. I don't think she was trying to "emulate" masculinity-- |
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kitty1 (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Have you ever seen Queen Elizabeth choke up in public.... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
81. Hillary Clinton: my teary moment won me New Hampshire |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
82. Asked if that tearful moment helped win the women's vote in NH . . . |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
83. What red state does Hillary turn blue????? |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
92. none! |
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undercutter2006 (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
84. i don't think it was the emotion per say |
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pauldg0 (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I think she is bi-polar........... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. I've heard a lot of that, as well |
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