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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:52 PM Original message |
New Hampshire machine-counted votes: Is there a paper trail or not? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. There are (I believe) paper ballots. Recounts can only be |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. And that is where it gets political. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Why isn't Dennis doing it? He's got nothing to lose. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. DU usually is all over this stuff before anyone else. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Shouldn't Kucinich's campaign staff be more plugged into this sort of stuff |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. It's usually not the politicians or the campaigns who do this work. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
90. Does his campaign actually have any staff? |
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Zueda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
62. He'd get free publicity too! |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. this should have been dealt with a long time ago. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Yep. And here we are, between a Bush/t and a Huckabee without a paddle. n |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. There are paper ballots that are scanned. It's better than a paper trail, |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Except that it's not an "issue" anywhere except here and a few obscure blogs |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. BradBlog is reporting that Tribune Media Services is running a story |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
105. its a column, not a story. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #29 |
147. bradblog is a much of nonsense |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. "DU is not the real world." Deeply Thank the universe for that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. That's what some posters said in December of 04 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. Let me see, several people are IN JAIL for VOTER FRAUD |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
115. It's ELECTION fraud we should worry about |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. We are talking of Election fraud Dear Sir... the people I am referring to in Cuyahooga Co |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #116 |
128. Andy drilled ELECTION not VOTER into my brain |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. my mistake, in the web that is easy to make |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. No problem |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. It is being said that the exit polls don't match the vote totals |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Are we sure Matthews isn't just being careless in his speech? n/t |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. He was pretty adamant |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Well, congrats for having the stomach to watch him. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
39. I was listening to the radio during the election and they were reporting Clinton ahead in the.. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Where did this story about the exit poll discrepancy come from? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. It came from people freaking out and trying to explain something that was really very simple |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #69 |
143. Right. EXACTLY RIGHT. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
93. tweet surprised me tonight -- he said something about having to see |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. On Ed Shultz show a guy who worked for NH |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. In order for the paper to matter. |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. plus what exactly does it read, does it just have a (D) or and (R) or are the candidates |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
7. from my understanding, yes, but not audits are required. |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
9. This is really ridiculous....Sen. Clinton wins N.H., so DU assumes there was some sort of |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Um, "DU" doesn't assume anything. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. It's totally out of hand. It's incredible. It's disappointing. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. No assumptions are necessary. You take the polling anomalies, |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
99. huckster? no. we won't be singing to him. we'll be forced to sing it to mccain. n/t |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. I seriously do not think that is the case |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. I doubt Diebold gives receipts or kept paper records. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. These are op scan systems like the ones we use here, not touch screens. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Are the ballots kept or thrown away after scanned? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Iirc, by law they have to be kept for a period of time. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
85. Someone could look into this if they are concerned about election |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Exactly, Ma'am |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Or, there is no candidate who will risk becoming pariah |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Not To My Eyes, Ma'am |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. What is strange, Your Honor, is that although as you say |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. It Will Be Raised, Ma'am, In A Serious Way |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. The Kerry example would seem to undermine that postulate. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. A Recount Would Not Have Turned Ohio Around, Ma'am |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. We can't know because they killed the recount. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. They Do Not Have Such A Lock On the Machinery In 'Battleground' States, Ma'am, This Time Around |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. It's a scanner. It scans paper ballots. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. More than just a scanner. It's a calculator that you can program, too. n/t |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Hand-counted votes match exit polls. DIEbold counts give Hillary more votes. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Dead link. n/t |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Looks as though Kos sent the story down the memory hole. Here's another link. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I suspected Kos would start doing this.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Why? I know Kos hates this issue. Is it simply that? n/t |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. He did it in 2004...started deleting ALL posts that questioned the machines n/t |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
112. WTF!!! |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. That assumes that small precincts tend to vote the same way as larger urban areas |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. And They Do Not, Ma'am |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Yep. Thanks for posting that. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Thanks for pointing that out. I was not displeased by Hillary's victory (though I don't support her |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Exactly. Thanks for adding that, sfexpat2000. n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
129. NH HAS paper though. ALL paper. Every voter gets a piece of paper. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
20. Oregon just passed sample verifications |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
80. Exactly. Please read my sig line. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
32. Yes there are paper ballots |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
73. You hit the nail on the head |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
123. what about those of us who do NOT hate hillary? what's your excuse for us? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #123 |
131. Well I don't expect to see an answer to that one |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
35. I think Clinton won and I don't think there was fraud... |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
36. NH and every other state should have a paper trail. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
37. Paper ballots, 80% machine counted by dishonest machines... |
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maxanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
38. there is no evidence of voter fraud in NH |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. I agree that polls are fallible. But, how do we know that Clinton won |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. There Are A Number Of Things Known, Ma'am, Bearing On That |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. There is a lot of information in your post. I will have to read it over |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Always Happy To Oblige, Ma'am |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. LOL! |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Thank you, maxanne! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. The idea that these concerns are being raised out of the Obama camp |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
74. Election fraud not voter fraud (that's where the voter tries to game the system-like |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
46. kick |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
61. Any candidate can ask...full state costs $80,000....in 2004, it took a month.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. I wonder where DUer NashuaAdvocate is. We could use his input |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. He is probably hiding under his bed waiting to make sure the media and chaos have gone |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
66. Op scan ballots are a sheet of heavy weight paper that the voter marks, then is |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. "Sunshine is the best disinfectant". n/t |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
75. Thanks for the info, everyone. I think this pretty much settles it for me. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Thank you Skinner! |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. It will be nice to Focus on the Dem Turnout |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. Amazing how the significance of the turnout and Dem vs Repub has been virtually ignored |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
109. I couldn't agree more! But, in 2004 Kerry got a record turn out |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #109 |
124. Kerry sucked too though |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. Great point! |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
111. I'm luvin your sig |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Well said, Skinner. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Sorry you didn't make it to the Greatest page. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. We can fix that. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Noooooo!! |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
88. You have summarized the situation accurately in my opinion (as a NH resident) |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Hey- You guys did GREAT- The Number of Dems voting was amazing!!! |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. It was an amazing day for me |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Poison? Is it poisonous for voters to want transparency? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Insulting people who ask for evidence is |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Maybe I've filtered that out. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #104 |
117. Agreed, the results should be unimpeachable |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. There was no sudden epiphany. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. There was an epiphany here as not one post concerning voter issues was being discussed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #121 |
125. You are mistaken. Please do go search the Election Reform forum. n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Wasn't talking about that forum |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:46 AM Response to Reply #127 |
140. I don't understand your issue. As far as I can tell, the people |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
102. Skinner, how do you propose anyone get evidence without a hand count? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. There was no amazing disparity between the exit polls and the end results |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
103. I don't see why you can't add one point... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. We could hand count every election and some people would still say it was rigged. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. So what? We SHOULD hand-count every election. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. But would the recounters be trusted either? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #75 |
122. Thanks for the update and the congrats |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #75 |
133. All points weren't made. I have one |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #75 |
144. Hillary cannot have a stunning victory without Diebold help...or at least that is what |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
81. I look forward to the day when people don't require evidence of fraud |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
110. "A clear, transparent process in which we can confide"...we wish! |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #81 |
126. same here. i live in a republican county--it's been republican for as |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
89. Don't they have Optiscan? |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
98. Even if there is a paper trail how can we know it truly reflects the votes cast? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
106. NH op scan has an actual hard copy, real ballots. |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:28 AM Response to Reply #106 |
136. Yes, they CAN be counted, but they have to be counted for it to count! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #136 |
138. That's a good point. We have the same problem in San Francisco. |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #138 |
145. We have op-scan in Madison Wi, too, and I thought they were cool until 2000 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #145 |
146. I know. I have that old, familiar headache. |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #146 |
149. but it's WORTH it -lol |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #98 |
113. Good point for the future eom |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #113 |
137. The future is HERE! 2 Presidential elections have been stolen already |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
101. A paper trail without a secure trail of custody is still a problem. |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
114. There's no reason every voter can't verify their vote |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
134. My county has been using optical scanners on PAPER ballots for many years... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
135. "paper trail" is not the answer.. there needs to be an actual BALLOT |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
139. I say we investigate both the Iowa and New Hampshire results. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:47 AM Response to Reply #139 |
141. In order to rig Iowa, you'd have to kidnapp a large number of people. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Sounds tricky. OK, skip the Iowa thing. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
148. Kick. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
150. As a former election lawyer, IS THERE A PAPER TRAIL is totally the WRONG question. |
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