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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:42 AM
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There's still hope ... thanks to the Founders
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 12:44 AM by sjdnb
"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." Thomas Jefferson

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." James Madison

"As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof, and I know of no other business government has to do therewith." - Thomas Paine

So much for the Evangelicals ... let's move onto Habeas Corpus/spying on American citizens ...

“Why suspend the habeas corpus in insurrections and rebellions? The parties who may be arrested may be charged instantly with a well defined crime; of course, the judge will remand them. If the public safety requires that the government should have a man imprisoned on less probable testimony in those than in other emergencies, let him be taken and tried, retaken and retried, while the necessity continues, only giving him redress against the government for damages. Examine the history of England. See how few of the cases of the suspension of the habeas corpus law have been worthy of that suspension. They have been either real treasons, wherein the parties might as well have been charged at once, or sham plots, where it was shameful they should ever have been suspected. Yet for the few cases wherein the suspension of the habeas corpus has done real good, that operation is now become habitual and the minds of the nation almost prepared to live under its constant suspension.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1788

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." 1755, Benjamin Franklin

It is clear, not one of the founding fathers of this country ever wanted it to be ruled by kings or king makers (the GOP/Bush/his donors/supporters). But, they have, through propaganda, convinced some Americans that the Founding Fathers were wrong -- the American dream means slaving away to fill the bank accounts of the few.

Well, if Thomas Jefferson was here today he'd kick GW Bush's ass around the block, more than a few times, for the mockery he's made out of what the Founding Fathers intended.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:48 AM
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1. I doubt he'd take time from raping his slaves to bother.
It never ceases to amaze me how even liberal Americans fall into such rah-rah white-washed revisionist hero worship.
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