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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:13 AM
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Salon: Why I'm Still Not For Hillary Clinton
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 01:37 AM by Hissyspit
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/01/10/kissling_clinton

Why I'm still not for Hillary Clinton
Women voters rallied en masse for her -- but she has run as a stereotypical male and represents the same old cowardly Clintonian politics.


By Frances Kissling

Jan. 10, 2008 | In the wake of Hillary Clinton's surprising win Tuesday and all the wrongheaded punditry leading up to it, there has been much discussion about why women voters rallied en masse for her in New Hampshire. Some believe she benefited from a powerful backlash against her many eager naysayers in the media. But whatever the reason for her campaign's resurgence, I still don't buy Clinton as the women's candidate.

I'm a lifelong feminist activist. In this crucial election, I am supporting John Edwards, whose economic policies I think will best serve women. Barack Obama is a close second, with Hillary Clinton a distant third. At first, as a feminist, I felt strange, almost embarrassed not to support Clinton, but it wasn't a tough decision. I did some soul searching, and in the end there were too many issues of principle on which she was willing to compromise. Her commitment to practicality over principle made it hard to be enthusiastic about her candidacy.

At the same time, watching Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire was a roller-coaster ride -- there were moments when I just wanted to throw in the towel and support her, those flashes of humanity and passion, the confidence she expresses in her record, the reality that she probably is the good person her husband says she is. I imagine her frustration with people like me who sell her short and will not settle for the conventional wisdom of what a woman has to do to get elected and trust her. And then she would frustrate me with her almost absolute inability to understand that being a leader is much more than an exercise in competency; it is the ability to capture people's imaginations and make them believe that there is indeed hope. The low point was her dismissal of Obama's and Edwards' visionary platforms as false hopes. Jung's bad mother wagging her finger at the boys who dared to promise the American people more than they could deliver was too much.

I contrast the closing speeches from New Hampshire: Obama's three words -- "yes, we can" -- and Clinton's heartfelt claim of having found her voice, an unspoken acknowledgment that she had to learn and she learned it. One goes to bed with the feeling that the next six weeks will include a national opportunity for all but the far right to take apart questions of race, gender, class and political integrity. In a way, it is the first 21st century election. Will Obama force Clinton into the new millennium? Can she meet my expectations?

Then her record enters my consciousness: her votes on Iraq, the Patriot Act and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:16 AM
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:35 AM
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5. fixed. n/t
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:18 AM
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2. K & R
Ditto, why I never was for HRC
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:22 AM
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3. You need to provide a link for this thing. NT
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:35 AM
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:40 AM
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6. Interesting...
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:45 AM
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7. Did black women voters rally for Clinton?
If not then the headline is misleading. Most people picture a
stereotypical Clinton-era upper-middle-class "soccer mom" when
they think of "women voters."

That being said, WORKING CLASS DEMS voted overwhelmingly for Hillary,
indicating that working class people, especially single women,
are apparently socially liberal and economically conservative,
or else being lied to (or both).

The old individualist "woman making it on her own to the top"
Horatio Alger lie that became popular among would-be yuppies
in the 70s and 80s, displacing the idealism of the 60s with
promises of power moms who could cook AND bring home the bacon.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:54 AM
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12. There are not enough Black women voters in NH to swing a large-turnout election.
Black residents of NH make up 1.29% of the state's 1,300,000 citizens. Posit a 50/50 split between the number of men and women, and Black women voters are 0.64% of the population. That number includes Black women under the age of 18 who can't vote, unregistered Black women, etc. Thus, Black women in NH who can vote amount to approximately 0.5% of the total population. That isn't enough votes to swing a NH election that saw massive voter turnout.

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:33 AM
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14. The New Hampshire Black Women's Democratic Organization ...
met in a phone both in Hanover and decided to remain neutral.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 01:54 AM
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8. Wow. For me, this piece absolutely nails it on the head where
Hilary is concerned. I see many of my own reasons for not being solidly behind Ms. Clinton reflected in this piece.

To any Hilary supporters reading this, I do not hate her, and if she IS the eventual Democratic nominee for President, I will vote for her. But like the author, Edwards, and then Obama, are my first two choices. I AM ready for a change, and I don't think that Hilary can bring about as much of it as I would like.

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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:29 PM
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17. Right on. She's already on record saying that we should effectively lower our expectations
I don't want to hear that this early on in the campaign. I want to hear ideas that are reasonable and well thought out, yet reflect the best interests of Americans. Hillary has yet to do that without triangulating her positions to "sort of" appease everyone just enough to get by by not taking a position.

If she's the nominee, I'll vote for her, but there's no way I'm supporting her until then.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:00 AM
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9. Kick. (nt)
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:42 AM
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10. Great article
Thanks
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:54 AM
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11. Bill Clinton pushed through NAFTA, "repealed" Glass-Steagal, and promoted welfare "reform".
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 02:55 AM by AdHocSolver
Hillary's hubby did more damage to the interests of working families and women than Reagan or daddy Bush.

It is interesting to watch Hillary successfully remake her image on-the-fly. If she becomes the Democratic candidate, the Republicans will have a field day showing her to be the big flip-flopper that she is.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 04:13 AM
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13. Recommended and Kicked [n\t]
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:03 AM
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:23 PM
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16. why i'm still not for Hillary...
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 02:25 PM by Tom Joad
she has other supporters. People who know what they are investing in. People who know that they will get good returns for their investment.


Hillary Clinton and Robert Murdoch.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 10:20 PM
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18. The Iraq War Authorization, The Patriot Act, Iran's Revolutionary Guard, ....
and a very real concern that, as her husband, a President Hillary Clinton will refuse to hold her predecessors to account for wrongdoing, under the guise of "moving on", "it's what's best for our nation", or "in the interest of bipartisanship"...

"Bipartisanship is another name for date rape."----Grover Norquist, May, 2003




Why I'm still not for Hillary Clinton

By Frances Kissling
January 10, 2008


.....

Then her record enters my consciousness: her votes on Iraq, the Patriot Act and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. ..... But her approach to Iraq leads me to think she would more quickly and inappropriately use military power than other Democrats, and that is impossible to ignore.

.....

Now, I've never been a centrist Democrat and everything I have seen of Clintonism and the Democratic Leadership Council confirms that women are far down their priority lists. But there must be some small space in the political world in which women are important. It is also not to say that Clinton doesn't care about women -- of course she does, and she has supported and will support many policies that improve women's health, employment and education. Perhaps one hears so little of that commitment on the campaign trail because it is assumed that the woman candidate does not have to talk about those issues. But whatever the reason, there is no evidence that Clinton's feminist history currently influences her thinking about women, or that it is any further advanced than Obama's and Edwards' thinking.

The sad fact is that Clinton has felt compelled to run as a stereotypical male. In her own mind it is only a certain kind of man who is qualified to be president and she will be that man: tough on everything from war, flag burning, kids' access to video games, illegal immigrants and Palestinians. She has missed the opportunity to talk about what it really means for women to be equal in this country. She has shown no interest in using her extensive international experience to push for more women in party leadership, state legislatures and even the Senate. A woman candidate who considered her gender a strength (as opposed to something she needed to overcome) would announce a series of measures specifically designed to ensure that women's needs and rights were at the forefront of her agenda.

.....

I do not want a feminism that is part of the status quo, and so I do not want the first woman president to be a Clintonian. Every time Hillary Clinton puts on the mantle of the Bill Clinton presidency and reminds us of how important it is to be practical and work with the other side to get things done, I think of every cowardly practical choice that Bill Clinton (or should I say the Clintons together) made. The "don't ask, don't tell" sellout of gays in the military; the abandonment of Lani Guinier; a failed healthcare reform package that would have sacrificed women's reproductive health to the Catholic Church's demands as moral arbiter; a welfare reform bill that actually hurt poor women and their families; and presidential approval of a permanent ban on Medicaid funds for poor women seeking abortions.

The women's movement, along with other progressive movements, did little to challenge the Clinton administration to live up to its campaign promises. And now it seems that the longtime women's movement is falling into the same trap over Hillary Clinton's candidacy. Just read the feckless and stale defense of Clinton's record on the war posted on the National Organization for Women's Web site to get a sense of how willing some in the feminist establishment are to defend any woman, regardless of her track record.

But some women aren't buying it. We'd like to see a woman president, but more than anything we want to be able to say at the end of the first woman's tenure in the highest political office that it really mattered. That the first woman president did things no man would have done, that feminist values were at the core of her decisions -- and that the country was on the road to further transformation.



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