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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:03 AM
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WE LOST! Thinking For Yourself Is Now A Crime! HR 1955 VIDEO
Please watch...

WE LOST
Thinking For Yourself Is Now A Crime!

By Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19002.htm
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:07 AM
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1. I could only watch about 30 seconds
I know how bad this is.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:12 AM
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2. And yet people continue to waste time on "spectator" democracy
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:15 AM
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3. Problem is now that to engage in anything other than the sanctioned spectator democracy
IE. our illusory, corporate bought elections and we'll be deemed "dissidents" and find ourselves in one of GW's shiny new mega prisons.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:20 AM
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4. Strange to note how many dems mirror Bill O'Reilly's stance on "tinfoil"
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:22 AM
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5. I don't even know Oliely's stance on tin foil
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 08:23 AM by shadowknows69
And I admit, I'm a conspiracy theorist with the best of them.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:25 AM
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6. At the end of that clip it shows his broadcast attacking Rosie and "truthers," associating it ...
W/treason that requires "authorities" to "reel em in."
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:32 AM
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8. Yeah I think I did see that
No surprise. But him going batshit with Obama's people the other day is sane and reasonable. Not dangerous at all. Coulter saying liberals should be killed is fine. I never wish harm on my oppressors, only justice.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:18 AM
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14. (tinfoil actually amplifies the signal)
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 10:48 AM
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21. The point is that there are those who view Bill's type of rhetoric as being LESS dangerous than...
Those who speak of conspiracy or institutional analysis as a form of dissent. When someone espouses such views and are immediately slagged upon as being "crazy," "loons," etc, it send a strong signal to the rest of the herd to abide groupthink and follow suit ... perhaps without understanding that there are measures underway to do away with the ones who dared posit the unpopular view. From there it's a slippery slope.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:31 AM
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7. This says it all: 'The light of liberty has gone out in the United States' n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:33 AM
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9. "Not with a bang, but a whimper," indeed.
And yet people will think we're "alarmist"...
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:35 AM
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10. Makes me wonder why more don't look to see where that instruction stems from
How convenient.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:39 AM
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11. I did not realize an 'Extremist Belief Commission' was established
Good Lord that is incredible. Sounds like McCarthy on supersteroids.
There are some repubs I would like to turn in to get it started.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:46 AM
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12. This is why I am shocked that people don't even care to verify elections with suspicious outcomes.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:49 AM
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13. K&R -- this is awful. nt
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:26 AM
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15. Wait a minute, it's not a law yet.
It's been referred to committee in the Senate and has not been voted upon.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:28 AM
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16. And this was placed on the floor and passed by our Democratic controlled Congress. People
have to wake up to the fact that this Government isn't ours. That Democrats and Republicans act as if they are different and yet in the end, the result is the same. Opposames.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:31 AM
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17. Of course DENNIS KUCINICH was 1 of the 6 who voted against this bill in the house. WAKE UP PEOPLE
So many people voting against their own interests just makes me sad.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:18 PM
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28. "sad"?? It makes me glad I'm old, have no children, and will be dead before it hits bottom.
Even on THIS board, some are selling out and abandoning democracy and anything resembling self-governance.

:puke:
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:35 AM
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18. SCREW THE LAWS. Rich people write them. When they get tirannic just disobey
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 10:26 AM
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19. Get over here, stand over there, let's see your identification!
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 10:27 AM by MNDemNY
Shut your mouth , son, get back in line, sendin' you to Southeast Asia! Like Hell!
On edit: credit to "Country" Joe McDonald.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 10:27 AM
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20. I can't believe this has to be kicked! eom
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:16 AM
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22. Excerpt from an article coming out soon in Online Journal and other news sites...
This is from a piece I wrote on the general subject of why the Internet must die. I submitted it yesterday and it'll probably show up at http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/index.shtml">Online Journal soon, if you care to take a look in the next couple of days.

Anyway, this is how I see this hideous piece of shit. It's in the Senate for a vote sometime soon, I would think, and Bushie's signature is a given. Note the embedded links in the excerpt below and follow them for more background on this issue.

The parallel universe
The only serious competition threatening corporate media's monopoly on official "truths" – those pieties designed to narrow acceptable choices and increase social control – comes from the Internet.

"The news," as it's laughingly known, can tap into a seemingly endless supply of drunken or felonious fools like Jessica and Paris and OJ and Twitany to sedate its viewers. Then there's the occasional gruesome murder to balance the chirpy happy talk on miraculous medical procedures (which most of us will never live to experience because our for-profit insurers won't cover them), an always erroneous look at local weather, followed by 15 uplifting minutes on sports and a recap of the top celebrity screw-ups. The viewer yawns, feels a bit awed by all this technical wizardry and slick showmanship, and heads for bed thinking he's up to date on the stuff that really matters.

Mainstream media has a bottomless pool of "on-air talent" – perfectly coiffed, well-modulated, tastefully made up, arrayed in $5K worth of suits, ties and little flag lapel pins, strident and irritating as a hundred Ross Perots.

We have broadband, YouTube, blogs, forums, actual reporters, search engines, discussion groups, political organizing, access to newspapers published in actual free countries – all taking place in plain sight.

Over the past decade Internet and Web technology have matured and surpassed nearly anything mass media can offer. It's instant news, usually with audio or video, often reported by eyewitnesses rather than filtered by some blow-dried idiot. It's preserving what's left of our national heritage by archiving "purged" documents. It's subjecting every significant political, social and economic development to the scrutiny and analysis of the world's collective brainpower. It's the unifying element linking diverse cultures into an evolving planetary society not subordinated to states or lines on a map. And it's the universe's greatest source of jokes, one-liners and satire.

Governments' worst nightmare: an informed and activist citizenry
I don't see how the power elites can afford to allow this nonsense to continue for much longer. People with unconventional (read: humanitarian or peaceful) ideas are the implacable enemy of those sustaining their wealth and power by aligning themselves with the status quo, and these dissenting Internet pipsqueaks cannot be tolerated forever.

To our corporate masters, libraries, independent publishers and bookstores are bad enough. But fortunately for "them," libraries are under-funded and ill-attended, it's getting harder to publish unorthodox material in the US and many independent book stores are getting killed by the Barnes & Nobles and Amazons of the world.

Not so the Internet. It's become the alternate universe for hundreds of millions of people worldwide who know and understand that the official story is always and inevitably suspect. That altruism has never been a function of governments. That governments are always at war with "the people" they pretend to watch out for. That, as The Commander Guy pointed out in a rare moment of clarity, dictatorships ARE easier to run than representative democracies. That power exists solely to perpetuate itself and, when threatened, will defend its position with anything and everything in the arsenal.

Now that's a hell of an alternate narrative. And the Internet is the "plumbing" that carries these contrarian messages – and the seditious thoughts and attitudes and movements they inspire – around the world in less time than it takes Murdoch to count his latest billion.

Death by harassment
In July of last year, Bush signed an executive order entitled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq. This expanded the administration's flexible definition of a terrorist to include anyone disagreeing with its "…efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people." This apparently isn't intended as a joke, although I'm not sure that what's going on over there qualifies as "economic reconstruction" or "humanitarian assistance."

But it does dovetail nicely with "Endgame," as the Department of Homeland Security calls HR 1955 / S 1959, known officially as The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, and which contains – among dozens of disgusting provisions – these gems:

(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.

(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.


Striking at the heart of the international terrorist menace, this bill targets the dangerous arch-fiends/grandmothers who participate on the hundreds of thousands of political forums, blogs or news and information sites that aren't exclusively devoted to singing the praises of Bush/Cheney and their merry band of imperialist oil pirates.

Note that this piece of repressive legislation – rumored to be the brainchild of the Rand Corporation and introduced by Democrat Jane Harman – passed the House last October by a 404 – 6 margin. Note that, introduced last October in the upper house as S 1959 and co-sponsored by GOP armchair warrior and domestic repression enthusiast Norm Coleman, it's coming up for a vote in the Senate early this year. If it passes, which seems likely, a Bush signature is a given – probably with a signing statement that says he'll ignore the act's few feeble provisions to combat totalitarianism, like this one:

(a) In General - The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.

Readers may want to take appropriate preemptive action before, say, downloading this article becomes a felony.


Here's a couple of lists of Senate and mass media contact info if you're inclined to beat your head against the wall one more time in the cause of preserving the republic.


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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:35 AM
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23. This is very scary shit. Where are all the recs?
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:45 PM
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25. Self Delete.
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 08:46 PM by TheWatcher


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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:15 PM
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24. We need to call our senators!
In this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wei_hJdwkxY, Waxman says, "I wish somebody had told me about this bill. I didn't know it was a controversial bill." When asked if he read it, he replies, "No, I didn't read it."

We have to make sure the senate READS the thing before they vote on it.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:46 PM
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26. The American People simply do not want to know.
They want to feel good. They want to believe that the system they have full faith in still serves them, and is still valid and legitimate. They need to be able to believe they still have representative government.

Because if none of the above are true, then the American People would have to face the realization that they are no longer in control of their government, and in turn, no longer in control of their freedom, democracy, or rights. They would have to face the realization that they no longer have a voice.

And most Americans simply cannot deal with even the possibility of such a realization.

People don't want to discuss this because they know what it means.

they would rather live out the political theater we are seeing in these Primaries, and be content that all is well, that change is coming in 2008, and everything will be OK.

Things are NOT going to be OK, and they have not been in this country for quite some time.

There are plenty of us who see, and know, and have faced the realization of what is going down, and understand it for what it is.

The problem is we not only face the obstacle of a government and a system that no longer represents us, we face the obstacle of our own countrymen, who refuse to embrace the realities and ominous warning signs we have right in front of us, either through Superior Indifference, Willful Ignorance, Apathy, or the simple fact they refuse to ever believe anything like this could be real.

We face an uphill battle, to be certain.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:46 PM
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29. I caught George Soros on CSPAN2 today re "Orwell Comes To America"
It was fairly astonishing...he described at considerable length how America abides a parallel reality created out of mass adherence to "Newspeak." Sounded a lot like Chomsky actually.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:11 PM
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27. HR 1955 is the most incredibly dangerous bit of legislation drafted in 50 years.
Imagine for a moment that this becomes law. The Seattle WTO protests many years back was violent, from a legal perspective. Property damage occured and people used force to try and stop a trade meeting they disagreed with. Under 1955, a group planning something similar today, or even an individual who simply ADVOCATES it, will be legally designated a terrorist. While 1955 itself does not specify any enforcement or penalties for those so named, other existing laws do. If you're a terrorist, you can be sent to prison without trial.

Let's say this becomes law. If the White House were to announce that the President were going to visit your town, and you immediately jumped online to find volunteers for a protest to block his route, you could be arrested. You are advocating a forceful action against a political figure to advance political or social change. Even if nobody is interested, the simple ADVOCACY and PROMOTION of such an act will qualify you as a domestic terrorist.

The linked video makes many reaches that are unsupportable, but the law is still incredibly dangerous and must be defeated.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:58 AM
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32. And even if your cause does not advocate violence
and is not associated with the promotion of violence, past experience has shown it will not be that difficult for the authorities to ensure that it is.


Spies, lies, and war
Lessons of COINTELPRO


by Sherry Wolf

COINTELPRO was the brainchild of J. Edgar Hoover, the founder and director of the FBI from 1924 until his death in 1972. Shaped by the anticommunist hysteria in the aftermath of the successful Russian Revolution of 1917, Hoover took part in the Palmer Raids against radicals and spent the rest of his life in the service of espionage and undermining suspected "subversives" of every sort. Contemporary histories tend to focus on Hoover's maniacal egotism and closeted homosexuality to explain his lifelong fixation on repressing minorities who fought discrimination and reds who challenged the status quo. But Hoover's agenda was embraced by every president he served, including Democrats Harry Truman, John E Kennedy (sic), and Lyndon B. Johnson

The FBI, in close collaboration with local police units (sometimes called Red Squads), used a number of techniques in its efforts to disrupt and destroy leftist groups, the most important of which are enumerated here.

Eavesdropping. This involved not only electronic surveillance, but also putting "tails" on people and breaking into offices and homes, as well as tampering with mail. The FBI's intention was not simply to gather intelligence, but, by making their presence known in various ways, create paranoia among activists.

Bogus mail: FBI agents would fabricate letters, ostensibly written by movement activists, which spread lies and disinformation. The Bureau sent many fake letters to American Indian Movement (AIM) and Black Panther Party (BPP) leaders and activists that were designed to sow confusion and division in the ranks. The Huey Newton and Eldridge Cleaver wings of the BPP, for example, were split after the FBI sent a number of manufactured letters from disgruntled party members to Cleaver, then in exile in Algeria, criticizing Huey Newton's leadership.

Black propaganda: The distribution of fabricated articles, leaflets, etc., that misrepresented the politics and objectives of an organization or leader, in order to discredit the group or individual and to pit people and organizations against each other.
Disinformation: The FBI often released false or misleading information to the press to discredit groups or individuals and to foster tension.

Harassment arrests: The police or FBI often arrested leaders and activists on trumped up charges in order to tie up activists in legal and court proceedings, drain their financial resources, and heighten their sense of fear and paranoia.

Infiltrators or agent provocateurs: The infiltration of organizations by police agents served two purposes. One was to gather intelligence on the group. Provocateurs were used to try and encourage individuals to engage in illegal activity that could then be attributed to the group as a whole; to disrupt the internal functioning of organizations; and to assist in spreading of disinformation inside and outside the group.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/FBI/Lessons_COINTELPRO.html

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:04 AM
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30. K&R n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:35 AM
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31. It Can't Happen Here


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