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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:48 AM
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Iran showdown has echoes of faked Tonkin attack


Iran showdown has echoes of faked Tonkin attack
Nick Juliano
Published: Friday January 11, 2008

A dramatic showdown at sea. Crossed communication signals. Apparently-hostile craft nearby. Sketchy intelligence leading to ratcheted up rhetoric.

The similarities between this week's confrontation between US warships and Iranian speedboats and events off the coast of North Vietnam 44 years ago were too hard for many experts to miss, leading to the question: Is the Strait of Hormuz 2008's Gulf of Tonkin?

On Aug. 2nd and 4th, 1964, the USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy, patrolling off the North Vietnamese coast, intercepted signals indicating they were under attack. Within days, Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which paved the way to the escalation of the Vietnam War. However, as some intelligence agents suspected at the time, the Aug. 2nd attack took place after the USS Maddox fired first, according to a National Security Agency report released in 1995.

This week another NSA report surfaced, confirming suspicions that the Aug. 4th attack never happened.

The researcher who uncovered the most recent NSA assessment tells RAW STORY that the Strait of Hormuz confrontation, and the immediate saber-rattling from the Bush administration and its allies, demonstrates the extent to which officials must be wary about politicizing shaky intelligence in times of war.


Rest of article at: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Echoes_of_Tonkin_seen_in_averted_0111.html
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:54 AM
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1. Even BBC was laughing at this crap this morning.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7182637.stm
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The admission by the US Navy that Iranian speedboats might not have been the source of an apparent threat to attack American ships in the Gulf is a significant move that raises new fears about the chances of unintended clashes in the region.

It has worrying similarities with the incident in 1988 when, in the same Strait of Hormuz, the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian civilian airliner, having failed to monitor the radio traffic properly.

The crew of the Vincennes became wrongly convinced that the airliner, an Airbus with 290 people on board, all of whom died, was an Iranian fighter jet.

The Iranian government said that the destruction of the plane was done in full knowledge of what it was.
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It's really convenient that many people forget the shooting down of that commercial airline.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:00 AM
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2. Yea, there's some pretty interesting comments at rawstory about the alleged encounter also:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:01 AM
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3. Thanks
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 06:04 AM by malaise
This bullshit was to announce Bush's arrival in the ME. Pathetic!!

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:01 AM
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4. If you want to start a successful war,
it's best you follow the example and advice of the experts.

Hitler started World War II by invading Poland, but he first staged a phony Polish "attack" on a German radio station on the Polish/German border to provide some thin veneer of legitimacy to his action. (Much like the US used a non-existent Gulf of Tonkin attack on a US destroyer to justify pouring troops into Vietnam.)


The Gleiwitz incident was a staged attack on 31 August 1939 against the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz, Upper Silesia, Germany (since 1945: Gliwice, Republic of Poland) on the eve of World War II in Europe.

This provocation was one of several actions in Operation Himmler, a Nazi Germany SS project to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany, which would be used to justify the subsequent invasion of Poland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident


And of course there's that famous Goering quote on how easy it is to get a war going by leaders who convince the people they are under attack.


“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/naturally_the_common_people_don-t_want_war/339098.html
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