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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:59 AM
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Which states are "winner-takes-all" for the Democrats? Any?
I'm not finding this readily, does anyone know which/if any states in the Democratic Primary are winner-takes-all delegates?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:01 AM
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1. I tried to find that info too, and couldn't
Hopefully someone here knows.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:01 AM
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2. I didn't realize that any primaries were winner-takes all
for either party.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:03 AM
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3. None for Dems anymore
Republicans have more than a few
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:03 AM
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4. I'm not sure, I have heard the phrase used, and wondered where is applied.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:24 AM
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8. After RFK
was shot that was the last straw for the California primary that legally awarded ALL its delegates to the top guy. Number 2 Humphrey collected the Big Prize all and the continuation of HHH's procedural victories and establishment support hurt him popularly when every hurt was critical. People sued in court, etc. Sound familiar? That was one of the concessions wrung out of the party after its loss when losing actually meant big intra party consequences. In NYS the RFK block was fought over and mostly decided for RFK. I think there was a contentious split with the McGovernites there that was just one part of the Chicago debacle.

I think I may started this idea by trying to remind people that this election may, despite the restructuring that makes delegate factions less relevant and "divisive", your "losing" vote may still earn delegates on the percentages. That also means members concerned more with other convention votes than on the presumptive winner and a presence on the floor. Money, pointedly, makes candidates seceded- or else the party under control of the nominee will not pay off the debts. For a candidate to deal his delegates out says about the pressure of money and the declining power of delegates or causes. All intentional as many Democratic leaders chose this as the way to "win" in the fall. In essence, imitating the sorry show of the slick GOP Convention meaninglessness though that has degraded beyond farce.

Voices that demand to be heard will most likely never be a majority but your vote can count toward the effort. Each state has different cutoffs to award delegates and it might be informational to provide people with more on their particular states, how to become delegates, how much independence you will have even if your candidate drops out before or after the first ballot. Seeking advantage and avoiding trouble should never end up suppressing democracy and losing should never mean false silencing of voices.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:55 AM
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11. Not quite the last straw. McGovern won it in '72 over HHH.
>>After RFK
was shot that was the last straw for the California primary that legally awarded ALL its delegates to the top guy. >>>


If memory serves, it was still winner take all. Hubert tried to challenge the delegate apportionment after the fact and failed, I believe, at the convention. McGovern got the entire delegate vote despite the fact that the primary vote was fairly close.

I believe the state party changed the rules before the '76 vote to eliminate winner take all.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:07 AM
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12. Ah, yes, sorry.
1972 was perhaps the biggest payback against the establishment with the bitterest irony. The only lessons learned(once more defeat brought consequences) was that the establishment had to get the biggest concessions because the 'left' lost more. That missed the enitre big picture and conceded a stupid meanness in bowing even more to money and GOP memes and the turn "rightward" of the people- as if the people were ever given a fair shot at choice or understanding or participation.

There are moments when both sides suddenly see the need for reform, a bi-partisan sting coupled with both sides wanting to change something for different reasons. The electoral college almost went that way but the Dems blinked because they still(and many still do, tragically) see an advantage in a electoral collage strategy. Ford proposed ending it after 1968 almost saw HHH pulling it off like Bush did in 2000(without any whimper from the Dems).
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whatdoyouthink Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:09 AM
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5. I dont think there are any
Though a few States are small - so very few to win! allmost like 100% if you get a large Vote one way or other (unless you get a three way-HINT HINT)
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:09 AM
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6. None
The Democratic Party banned winner-take all primaries after 1972.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:10 AM
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7. Thanks.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:28 AM
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9. Not With Super Delegates
Even if a state had a winner-take-all on the primary vote, that's not all the delegates a state is given. Each Congressman and Senator is a delegate as well as party leaders and DNC people. Those folks aren't bound to any primary vote and can switch votes up until the last moment.

Here's the latest list of Superdelegates:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:34 AM
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10. Texas... 3-1=1'
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