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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:29 PM Original message |
RE Kerry not fighting in 2004 |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. He was supposed to put on a show for our emotional gratification, duh. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. exactly, .... so media repugs and many of the mouth dems could point and say poor loser |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
132. It wasn't about Kerry. So democracy, truth could survive. Leading. Fighting |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #132 |
145. What was he supposed to say? When "leading" I mean. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
64. How about for the country to KNOW? That we WON, not lost! |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #64 |
166. The proof should have been found beforehand. It's not enough for us to just "know". |
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Just-plain-Kathy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
146. I would have felt a lot better if Kerry would've put up a bigger fight... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. wait.... bigger fight that it was stolen,... (ergo he won) and bigger fight to win |
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Just-plain-Kathy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. You say, and I think it's true...Kerry won. But he didn't move into the White House? ... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #153 |
167. If the election was stolen, why not blame the people who stole it? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
171. You can't deny that no good came of Kerry just giving up. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. I respectfully disagree. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I hope but am not sure |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. I'll blame Kerry |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. "being far better prepared for the cheating that absolutely did take place." |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Valid point. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. how do you prepare for the ten/fourteen hour lines in college areas |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Yes, I remember. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. i never assured they would not steal. i knew in my heart they would and feared |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Water |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
133. And how do you know that water went away? because of the silence, not much |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. Well |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
176. Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 05:34 AM Response to Reply #176 |
179. While that is true, |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #179 |
184. My apologies - I misinterpreted what you were saying. nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #176 |
180. and if we create an illusion of the past, still it will happen over and over |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
55. I told several friends that Kerry would win the election, but that he'd lose |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. your friend cops out. the lines in ohio, what we watched on tv should have outraged |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. A lot of |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #60 |
177. If not, |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. kerry should have, kerry should have..... what about the damn dnc, the democrats elected |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. On post #23 |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. no but then i posted before your response. then i posted again |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. If I had not fought back, |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. i am a believer in ownership, personal responsibility.... consistantly, not as a hypocrit |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. In Corn & Isikoff's |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
141. The decision, the act of concession was his. The option to lead - also his. |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
119. Sarcasm noted, yes there were psyops, burglaries, harrassment, phone and fax tricks. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Yep. |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. I most often agree with you |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. I always liked |
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ginnyinWI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
59. It was Paul, not Ringo. n/t |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:31 PM Original message |
No. |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
155. Dylan |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #155 |
168. He should have stood up to the electric guitar-heads and wailed |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. and when media actively worked against him, when he did NOT have support from fellow |
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madaboutharry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. That is not true. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Sorry, a personal anecdote from an anonymous poster |
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madaboutharry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Listen Cali, |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
85. especially when not followed up by ANY ACTION for 4 years - |
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kimmerspixelated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
42. Yes!! |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. discovery would bring out the things for the media circus that was later |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. It's not what you do if your lawyers advise against it. n/t |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. it depends on how much of a fighter you are and what statement you want |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. "Is Kerry a robot to his lawyers? Does he have a mind and will of his own?" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. today people dont even pretend to remember the reality of 2004. just a simple |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #21 |
169. One candidate good two candidates bad. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. other sources reported that Kerry wanted to keep his powder dry |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. kerry immediately had three cases going in ohio. people are pissed he conceded |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. You don't get to "discovery" |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
12. He should have grandstanded and made empty promises, |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. Hindsight is 20:20 |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
15. I thought it wasn't hip to question votes.... |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
17. Wait for a decent period - |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Indeed, why not stall? What was the hurry about giving it to bush for another 4 years? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. stall? people dont remember, they dont think it thru, ignore facts or just make things up |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. It would have been respectul |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. by who? 5% of the populace. i was on this DEMOCRATIC board that night. |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Like I said |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. even afforded hindsight..... what would it accomplish? especially with hindsight |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. For starters, |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. concession is not legally binding and can be withdrawn |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
98. That makes it even worse. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
67. It would accomplish: draw attention to the fraud, to the fact that we won, they lost |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. that is too simple a statement to make, and NO i do not think that is what would have happened |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
92. "sore loser" would have been a price - but he had activists - millions of us |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. Stop making things up |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. What are you trying to suggest? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #107 |
115. Did you read what was posted? Banging your head without understanding is senseless! n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. He/she did. You refuse to see the effect of the concession on us, our support |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. No one left you holding anything. You chose to spend four years |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #125 |
139. Whining? Wait until them diebolds in November - then you'll see whinning. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #139 |
170. "Kerry will be responsible for what happens in 2008, too"... ?! |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #101 |
114. How could it happen in 2004 - AFTER HE F*ING CONCEDED??????????? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. You said Kerry had more support than Gore. Now you say it didn't happen. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. HE did have support. All throughout the election. Less so after he shat on us. But some of you |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Did you not |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Obscure litigation while Bush was gloating of man date and pundits were blabbing |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. It's obscure because you choose to ignore it in favor of |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. He lacked the balls to fight as a winner - for fear "they"ll call him a loser |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. That makes no sense, but neither does denying reality in order to continue complaining. n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #140 |
148. He was in the center of attention - but chose to hide. Conyers, other fighters |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Keep complaining: |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #150 |
163. Agree that he won. I am sure he won bigger than Gore. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. or.... was kerry to not concede for respect today..... he surely would not have received |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. At least until the votes were counted, |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. There were enough uncounted votes for him to have won Ohio. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. Florida was in play too. Other states as well |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. i think nevada was stolen too. yes i know all this. i have done the research |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
143. No, that is the reality |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. then every person that concedes, from the past to today and beyond |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #147 |
154. As a general matter, |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:40 AM Response to Reply #46 |
178. Right - if he had won every one of those as yet uncounted votes. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
156. That is the norm and happened in EVERY modern election except 2000 |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #156 |
183. Sorry, |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
93. Not respect. THE TRUTH - is that important enough to you? |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. unless i am wrong, that was the second slowest concession the US have had |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
112. Not for a won election it wasn't! |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
25. specifically--the Ohio Dems and the National Dems told him there was no fraud. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. but it is just soooo much easier to blame kerry for all. all the people said he was a loser |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. People forget that in 04 we were STILL digging out evidence of the |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
136. We didn't vote for a lawyer - but for a leader. We've been had. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #136 |
175. We were had, but by Bushco, Rove and Blackwell. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #175 |
181. bushco, rove, blackwell, msm, swiftboats.... always it is kerrys fault |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
94. He called the lawyers off the tarmac - "so we don't look like cry babies" |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
49. How about not conceding 14 hours after the polls closed? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Exactly. What is the big rush? If I were queen of the universe... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Did you know that |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. My bad. Once again, I expect a Kerry supporter to understand political reality |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. we were not ALL screaming about it. the percentage on this board went hands down |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
99. Percentages are his fault - he allowed them to take the bullhorn from his hand |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Gore did it: |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. Yes! Why didn't Kerry retract/not concede? He lost the bully pulpit the second |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Gore conceded with 50,000 votes |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
102. He didn't bother to LOOK! He didn't want to risk. He let them say they won. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #52 |
172. So John Kerry should have taken his strategy from fear of GOP talking points? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. concession is not legally binding and can be withdrawn another simple FACT |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
79. legal/schmegal - he lost control of the message - let them pretend and hide |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Bingo. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. bullshit |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. Kerry had 1000 times the support Gore had - activists, voters, even some media |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. You are trying to have it both ways, claiming that there was both attention and no attention. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
105. There was the POTENTIAL for attention - if he held on -. Only Randi on Air America |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. . |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. BUT THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY ENDING THE DIALOGUE ON THE ELECTION |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #110 |
127. Nonsense! |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. Conyers was in some basement! because Kerry gave possession of the title/position |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. "Conyers was in some basement!" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. not repugs fault for theft, for basement for the war.... kerry... he is responsible |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #110 |
174. Um, it is deluded to think "he gave the title of winner away" -- nobody believed he had won n/t |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 02:44 AM Response to Reply #79 |
173. You don't resent Gore for REFUSING to count EVERY VOTE? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. Exactly. Keep the bully pulpit, the attention - make them SEE the fraud |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. You are perpetuating a lie |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Had he delayed concession - like Gore did - everything would have been halted |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. no swept, no under rug. people werent outraged when they were given it to see |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. KO, Randi - were the only voices - BECAUSE he conceded. He gave them the spotlight |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
108. If the candidate doesn't give a shit, why should anyone else care? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. So if they didn't care, why so they give shit? n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
134. He was supposed to be the leader ("of the free world") He had to call his people |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #134 |
161. Utter crap! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Gore conceded before Kerry |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. But took it back the moment he heard of the numbers! he kept it going! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Like I said, |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. What lie? Didn't he concede? Didn't he keep silent? Wasn't he absent when Boxer |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. the fuckin romanian people took to the streets, took the fight..... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Not really, The candidate spoke, held rallies, declared he won't concede until |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Gore was right to retract his concession. He was up 500,000 votes and only need |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. How did he know at the time? You need to investigate these things before deciding |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. What are you talking about? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
61. Who said this? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
62. Lawyers were turned around from the tarmac because of a POLITICAL decision |
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gort (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
70. Voter Suppression is the crime of the century! |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. and it's only ONE of the dirty tricks.... |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
76. Simple is the operative word. |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #76 |
100. I have to agree with that. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #100 |
162. That's why I've been moving toward Edwards since Gore didn't jump in |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
87. I'm still waiting |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. That would be a really great surprise. |
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slor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
109. As an Ohioan at the time of the election... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. It wasn't the lawyers but the politicians.Lawyers were recalled "so we won't look like |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
113. Lawyers can be wrong and don't always agree |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #113 |
121. We don't even agree either. Some say he lost, some say he won. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #121 |
128. He (they) are responsible for "he lost" disinformation. It was up to them to |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #128 |
152. dont believe the numbers, ohio officials, media, republicans and most democrats that i lost |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
118. John Kerry is a hero and a great American statesman. And that means period. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #118 |
131. at least you aren't saying he lost... |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
130. It's your "understanding?" |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
151. Kerry should have listened to Edwards and insisted that every vote be counted before conceding... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #151 |
157. This is not true |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Edwards was the VP running mate and did the honorable thing not speaking out against Kerry... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #158 |
159. no he only did it behind his back to let EVERYONE know "unofficially" |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #159 |
165. Yup. Attempt to inoculate himself rather than help clean elections |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #158 |
160. Does that explain why he did not comment on the very problems |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 01:12 AM Response to Reply #151 |
164. Edwards should have listened to Edwards too - and championed the cause |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-13-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
182. People will continually blame Kerry for this |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
185. find new lawyers |
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