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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:38 PM
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Hillary Supporters Use Rovian Vote Suppression Tactics in NV
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 02:40 PM by Cheney Killed Bambi
Shades of Karl Rove:

Maybe there's a reason this isn't as beyond the pale as it looks. But I'm not seeing it.

The Nevada State Democratic party has set up nine at-large caucus locations on the Las Vegas strip for casino workers who might not otherwise be able to caucus on January 19th. Remember, because of the recent Culinary Workers Union endorsement of Barack Obama, casino workers are expected to vote heavily for him.

Now, the Nevada State Education Association (the state teachers' union), which is seen as supportive of Clinton though it has not formally endorsed her, is suing the Democratic party to prevent those at-large caucuses from meeting on the grounds that similar arrangements have not been made for other Nevadans.

I don't know the particulars of how the Nevada caucuses are arranged. But the 'tell' is the fact that the teachers' union apparently didn't think this was a problem until Sen. Obama bagged the key union endorsement. When asked why the union had never approached the state party about this issue until Friday, union president Lynne Warne, tellingly replied, "We're approaching them now."

If there's one thing that's core to the modern Democratic party is that voter suppression tactics are always wrong. Much of the US Attorney purge scandal was at root about Republican voter suppression tactics. I suspect this is doubly wrong -- both in the sense that the suit is meritless on its face but certainly also in the sense that you don't decide how easy to make it for people to vote depending on who you think they're likely to vote for.

Please leave these shameful tactics to Republicans.


More:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/063499.php



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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:39 PM
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1. The "steady hand" of "experience" in action!!!
No thanks.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:39 PM
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2. Why?
Hide thread is so much simpler? :rofl:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:44 PM
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3. Please leave these shameful tactics to Republicans.
In an earlier time people as divisive and moderate as the Clintons would have been Republicans.

They are more like Nixon than like JFK.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:46 PM
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4. And rove's their hero along
with roseanne for dissing Obama.. Great buncha bots.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:47 PM
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5. Roseanne?
I must have missed that. What happened with Roseanne?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:01 PM
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10. Warning: This is Gross.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:04 PM
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13. Yuck!
:puke:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:10 PM
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15. I tole you,
mon. There's some females out here who are for hillary because she's a woman and too bad that kinda thinkin' isn't with a full deck of facts.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:13 PM
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34. here is my definition of "gross"
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:47 PM
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6. And she denied any association this morning
Meh.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:50 PM
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7. And she explicitly refused to condemn the voter suppression.
Meh.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:55 PM
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8. That surprised me
Should have known better.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:00 PM
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9. Yeah, hillary denies denies denies
a LOT of things.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:11 PM
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11. Since you asked
The lawsuit charges that changes were made to the agreement since then, however, and that the at-large precincts now unfairly give the casino precincts more weight -- "disingenuously" allocating delegates based on participation instead of based on registered voters, for example -- creating a "grossly amplified number of delegates" thus "treating each precinct as if it were a separate county." (Italics theirs.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/12/post_271.html

In any case, HRC is above the fray, where she belongs. Let this be resolved according to the rules.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:54 PM
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39. "disingenuously" allocating delegates based on participation
How is this a violation of "one person, one vote"?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:59 PM
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41. Its not. Another dreamer called it "stacking" votes.
At least I give them credit for having the stones to post something in response.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:14 PM
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12. A question worth asking....
Have causcus locations ever been set up in the casinos previously?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:53 PM
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37. We've never had an early caucus before. But, the answer is no,
they never have been used as polling places or caucus sites:

Las Vegas casinos become polling sites


Published: Jan. 13, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Print story Email to a friend Font size:LAS VEGAS, Jan. 13 (UPI) -- Democratic Party officials, hoping to increase voter turnout in the Nevada caucuses, will for the first time use Las Vegas casinos as polling places.

Although there will be more than 1,700 caucus precincts across the Silver State, estimates are that the votes cast in the casinos could be more than 10 percent of the statewide total, The Washington Post reported Sunday.

At the Bellagio, many of the hotel workers will go on break around noon and gather in a 30,000-square-foot ballroom to vote for the Democratic Party nominee Jan. 19.

At the Bellagio, executives estimate between 4,000 and 5,000 employees will be working at caucus time.

"It's not perfect for us. We've got a business to maintain," said Gordon Absher, spokesman for MGM Mirage, which owns the Bellagio and three other casinos hosting caucuses.

Under rules set by the Nevada Democratic Party, only casinos that have been organized by the powerful Culinary Workers Union Local 226 were selected as caucus sites, the newspaper reported...


http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/01/13/las_vegas_casinos_become_polling_sites/3075/
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:07 PM
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14. If there's a dispute about the fairness of system it should be resolved in the court.
I never knew legal use of the court to resolve disputes to be "Rovian".
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:12 PM
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17. Yeah, all's fair in love and war
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 04:13 PM by zidzi
and politics and yur candidate is as sucky as she's been the last 5 years supporting bushit.

I'm not seeing how "a no bullshit" Dean supporter could settle for hillary.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:15 PM
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18. False. All is not fair. All is not legal or permissable. A dispute about the
constitutionality of an election system should correctly and legally be addressed in the court.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:21 PM
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19. But only when it hurts Obama
not when it hurts Clinton? Please. Hillary is using the Court system to suppress votes. She has no interest in the Constitutionality of Nevada's caucuses.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:24 PM
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20. Again, false. Use of the courts to resolve such disputes is always legitimate.
Additionally, Clinton isn't involved in the suit. Nevada voters are. You are slandering her.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:42 PM
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22. Like hillary and bill are
"slandering" Obama.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:50 PM
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26. Please cite the specific "slander". Even if you can, it doesn't excuse yours. NT
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:41 PM
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21. hillary seems to think so just like
the bushits.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:49 PM
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25. More slander from you, I see. NT
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:50 PM
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27. Neener neener neener
from a hillbot..poor poor thing, hillary..so maligned. Too bad she's earned it.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:51 PM
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29. Are you still burning crosses on front lawns?
Tch.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:12 PM
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16. I long for that brief moment when the Obama people thought they could actually win.
They were nicer when they were gloating.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:45 PM
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24. hillary's surrogates continue
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 04:46 PM by zidzi
on the long line of obnoxiousness when their strategy was first outlined with hillary "the inevitable one" and everyone else was a "hillary hater".
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:44 PM
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23. Shouldn't teachers have the same access to caucus
as the casino workers? It only seems fair.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:51 PM
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28. We've reached a point wherein not giving some voters SPECIAL access is considered unfair.
And use of the courts to resolve disputes is considered "Rovian".
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:59 PM
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31. Really a shame this is being distorted, its a valid argument
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:02 PM
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32. And my own position is that it sounds like a dispute that should be lookd at legally.
I don't know enough detail to even come down on one side or another.

But at las at DU, even asking the court to look at what COULD BE a violation voter's rights is considered evil.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:56 PM
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40. Arent most caucuses in NV held on a SATURDAY... in SCHOOLS?
Hmm.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:55 PM
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30. Total Trash - But Don't Let the Facts Get in the Way of a Good Story
The teachers union says many of their members will be unable to vote because at caucus time they are required to assist with caucuses being held at the schools they work at, even if they live in different precincts, which will prevent them from voting at their own caucuses.

The new at-large precincts are all inside the Las Vegas Strip hotels. Workers attending the hotel caucuses will have to provide identification showing them to be a shift worker and sign a declaration stating they can't attend their "home" caucus because of their work schedule.

The teachers, and other workers who can't attend caucuses because of work, are not being provided special caucuses and thus they won't be able to vote.

The lawsuit then analyzes the effect of the new "at large" caucus votes and alleges that the plan gives the hotel workers a disproportionately large number of delegates. Go read the lawsuit for the exact numbers but essentially it concludes the new system will create an additional 720 delegates for Clark County, which in turn will dilute the value of a delegate assignment and the voice of the other Clark County caucus participants.


http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/12/133648/896

http://vegaspundit.typepad.com/vegas_pundit/files/filed_complaint.pdf
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:50 PM
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36. The teachers should be fighting the schools where they work for
requiring them to work the polls. Alternatively, a year ago when the plan didn't seem to bother the teachers, they should have proposed a rule to allow them to vote in the school/precinct where they happen to work. They didn't and now - days before the caucus - it merits going to court to disenfranchise other voters. Amazing.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:54 PM
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38. Sounds like you think everyone except the culinary union should disenfranchise
themselves. But they're not.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:08 PM
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42. Everyone should be able to cast a vote.
Why did the "teachers" get their panties in a knot only after the Culinary Workers endorsed the wrong candidate? The "teachers" had a year to run this through the courts. It's transparently sleazy. If the CW had endorsed Hillary, the "teachers" would be helping them set up the chairs for the caucus.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:13 PM
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43. The teachers remain within a legitimate time frame. I don't know that their suit
will succeed, or should succeed. I only know there is a dispute and it's been raised before the caucus, so the courts are the right place to bring it.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:04 PM
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44. This lawsuit
Is all about helping Hillary win the election by suppressing Obama's voters.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:03 PM
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33. Nasty and dangerous for America!
That's what I think of Hillary herself.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:19 PM
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35. AMEN!
Three words for '08: Anyone But Hillary.

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