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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:32 PM
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PETA - Heartless Killers Of Pets (17,400 in 2006 alone)
This is just unbelievable:

WASHINGTON, Jan. 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- An official report from People for The Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), submitted nine months after a Virginia government agency's deadline, shows that the animal rights group put to death more than 97 percent of the dogs, cats, and other pets it took in for adoption in 2006. During that year, the well-known animal rights group managed to find adoptive homes for just 12 pets. The nonprofit Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) is calling on PETA to either end its hypocritical angel-of-death program, or stop its senseless condemnation of Americans who believe it's perfectly ethical to use animals for food, clothing, and critical medical research.

Not counting animals PETA held only temporarily in its spay-neuter program, the organization took in 3,061 "companion animals" in 2006, of which it killed 2,981. According to Virginia's Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (VDACS), the average euthanasia rate for humane societies in the state was just 34.7 percent in 2006. PETA killed 97.4 percent of the animals it took in. The organization filed its 2006 report this month, nine months after the VDACS deadline of March 31, 2007.

"Pet lovers should be outraged," said CCF Director of Research David Martosko. "There are thousands of worthwhile animal shelters that deserve Americans' support. PETA is not one of them."

In courtroom testimony last year, a PETA manager acknowledged that her organization maintains a large walk-in freezer for storing dead animals, and that PETA contracts with a Virginia cremation service to dispose of the bodies. In that trial, two PETA employees were convicted of dumping dead animals in a rural North Carolina trash dumpster.

Today in Southampton County, Virginia, another PETA employee will face felony charges in a dog-napping case. Andrea Florence Benoit Harris was arrested in late 2006 for allegedly abducting a hunting dog and attempting to transport it to PETA's Norfolk headquarters.

"PETA raised over $30 million last year," Martosko added, "and it's using that money to kill the only flesh-and-blood animals its employees actually see. The scale of PETA's hypocrisy is simply staggering."


Fucking hypocrites...

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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:33 PM
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1. .
:popcorn:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:39 PM
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3. Curse you. I wanted to start the popcorn.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:27 PM
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43. Did you save the popcorn for something else? lol
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:18 AM
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52. No kidding...
But I think I need a whole big glass of wine to watch this thread devolve...


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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:38 PM
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2. Color me less than shocked
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:41 PM
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4. We have no-kill shelters who have a better record of placements
Blah
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:42 PM
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5. You people KNEW this? I have to start paying more attention.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:46 PM
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6. It was news to me!
I still can't believe it!
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:20 AM
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53. This story was out there a few months ago....
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:49 PM
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7. This needs to be cross-posted in the Pets forum
Another reason to dislike PETA.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:50 PM
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8. I volunteer at a shelter. We euthanize, but usually just the un-adoptable.
This is sickening, if true.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:01 PM
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14. Some shelters around here are transporting adoptable mutts
to shelters in other parts of the country where people are actually looking for mutts instead of designer dogs. That drops even the city shelter's kill rate considerably.

I adopt adult cats from shelters. Not only do adult animals know enough not to climb on the curtains, they're wise enough to be grateful when a sucker like me takes them on.

PETA's record of killing companion animals is disgusting. They need to be identified and prevented from getting their hands on any more animals to kill.

PETA has been successful at putting a well deserved dent in the fur trade and I applaud them for that (although I don't know what the hell I'm supposed to do with the 2 mink coats I inherited), but the practice of taking adoptable animals out of shelters they don't like and simply killing them is completely unacceptable.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 PM
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25. Bless you. I only wish I had the strength.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:52 PM
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9. I decided to investigate this, it's BULLSHIT and BULLSHIT....
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 09:54 PM by Sarah Ibarruri
.....I investigated it online and went back and back till I found out who had started this newspiece rolling, and it's an organization called:

CENTER FOR CONSUMER FREEDOM. (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/)

Sounds nice, right? Sounds awesome. However, this is the organization hired by restaurants and the entire food industry when PETA comes after them for such things as:

1) Making pate out of ducks that have been raised wing-to-wing, sick, with tubes down their gullet having fat pumped into them day after day so their livers explode with fat for pate, and with their beaks cut off.

2) Using meat from cattle which have been hung by one leg and slaughtered without being fully dead.

3) I could continue.

I'm not a PETA member but I have read plenty about the atrocities involved in the food and clothing industry.

This organization has been fighting PETA for a while and trying to shut them down or discredit them.

This news is misleaeding for the following reason:

PETA picks up pets and animals that have been tortured and are sick due to torture and mistreatment. Many of these pets DO NOT MAKE IT. They die regardless of the medical treatment they receive. Most of the animals PETA picks up are animals in horrible distress. Now I don't know about you, but I myself don't know of any way to raise a dead animal from the dead, nor how to keep alive an animal that is so tortured and so sick that it's going to die regardless of medical treatment.

I'm getting pretty F sick and tired of the food industry trying to get away with shit and discrediting organizations like PETA because PETA hits them where it hurts, in the pocketbook.

I URGE ALL OF YOU TO GO LOOK AT THE CENTER FOR CONSUMER FREEDOM WEBSITE. You will instantly know what I'm talking about. Please post the truth about the Center for Consumer Freedom everywhere you can.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:56 PM
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10. What percentage of the animals they take in are beyond medical help?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:58 PM
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11. A huge amount. By the time PETA gets involved, they're sick...
... for example, in labs, where they have instruments sewn into their skulls, or are treated with poisons, or have cancers created.

The CCF is an organization whose sole purpose is to go after people like those in PETA, against Oprah when she dared say she would never eat beef again, and so on. They're protecting their pocketbook, while you, and the rest of us, are being led by the nose by them very nicely.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:00 PM
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12. Do you have numbers, or is this more of an assumption on your part?
Don't mean to put you on the spot, but if you or anyone else can provide the substantiating figures it would put any controversy over this here to rest pretty quickly.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:04 PM
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16. Certainly It's Beyond Dispute
There are people being paid to discredit PETA ...
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:05 PM
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17. It's obvious the linked website is biased and not to be trusted
I'm just wondering what the actual figures are, and what they mean.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:09 PM
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21. No, I didn't research this nor am I a PETA member, but I gather you defend the right of....
.... the food industry to torture animals, or why would you be so adamant about this?

Were you familiar with the CCF before this post? I'm going to guess you were.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:11 PM
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23. I don't, and I wasn't. But I'd still appreciate having all the information before making a judgment
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 PM
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27. Sure no problem. Let me investigate this for you for a week or so for no reason except you CCF
Sheesh.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:15 PM
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30. Well, I'd just like to have all the evidence if anyone has it.
Having a strong opinion without it wouldn't make much sense, no?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:18 PM
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34. I'm ending this conversation with you. nt
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:19 PM
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36. Fair enough. I'm not sure what I said that was so offensive, though
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:23 PM
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39. Can't Crap Fire?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:14 PM
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28. Dear God. I really didn't want to know this.
:cry:
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:36 PM
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47. Do you have any documentation?
Because I see very little reason for companies who have mistreated animals in this way to release their animals to PETA. Not saying it's not possible but it's kind of like a criminal willingly complying with law enforcement.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:58 AM
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66. Sure. You're going to write a report for us since the rest of us don't have time.
Pssst, I recommend you don't use CCF data. :-)
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:06 PM
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18. My letter to the Center for Consumer Freedom about PETA......


I read the news your organization brought to the press for publishing and I was shocked! PETA, the organization that was supposed to protect animals, was killing left and right! Wow! How could it be?

Then I read more about your organization and realized I'd been had once again by BULLSHIT.

Now, don't get me wrong, I understand that PETA hits you right in the pocketbook because, hell, it's easier to torture animals for consumption and use, than to treat them humanely. After all, time and money is the issue here, isn't it??

By the time PETA gets to an animal, it's pretty much on its last leg. The chances of so many tortured animals surviving what organizations friends to yours do to them, is quite low. However, you are capitalizing on this very thing by blaming PETA for what your pals do to animals! What a NOVEL idea! One would think Karl KKK Rove had designed it! Amazing.

You people suck.

Sincerely,

Sarita from Florida
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:15 PM
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31. Thank you for setting the record straight
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:17 PM
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32. You're welcome. I'd love to hear from someone from PETA tho....
... I'm not a PETA person, and I do eat meat :-(

However, I hate lies and bullshit, particularly when it comes from corporations, and this is a perfect example of the shit corporations pull.

It's why I'm for EDWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:18 PM
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35. I am right with you on all counts.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:21 PM
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38. Thanks! Time to the party corporations have going. They have gotten away with too much!!! nt
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:22 AM
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75. It smelled like corporate propaganda.
Polluting the national dialog with misinformation once again.
I swear, the flack PR companies are the dregs.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:19 PM
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37. Thanks . .. this has been made clear before BUT NOT THE ORGANIZATION . . .
knowing where this attack begins --- Center for Consumer Freedom --- which does PR for restaurants, food industry, clothing industry -- all of whom are under attack by PETA.

Thanks again for the info -- and the time you spent checking it out ---
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:26 PM
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42. PLEASE GET THE WORD OUT so PETA knows where these Rovian tactics are coming from nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:28 PM
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44. You mean, you don't think PETA knows . . .. ???
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:29 PM
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45. God who knows? I don't know anymore. Corporations are so sneaky. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:57 AM
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57. So far I haven't seen a usable "contact" link for PETA ---
if I find one, I'll forward the info --
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:55 AM
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63. I found a whole bunch of them under "contact us" - they subdivide the contact us area into.....
.... a zillion areas to select from. You find the area you want and pick that. I forwarded the info to them.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:45 AM
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55. finally! someone actually decided to consider the source...
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:47 AM by Blue_Tires
i'm surprised to see so many in this thread taken in by a smear campaign...
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:57 AM
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65. I always track a suspicious story as far back as I can. Amazing the shit one finds. nt
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:56 PM
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90. There are many good reasons to hate and despise PETA. I'm not sure this is among them.
For many animals taken in off the street, euthanasia may be the kindest option.

I care far more about PETA's opposition to medical research, and about their total lack of touch with reality, than I do about their mistreatment of animals.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:01 PM
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13. Like I would believe anything
CCF says. :eyes:
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:02 PM
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15. Isn't the cited report from PETA itself? Or are you talking about the spin put on it?
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 10:03 PM by jpgray
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:07 PM
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20. The report is from PETA about the animals they rescued that were too sick to salvage....
.... the Center for Consumer Freedom (who represents the people who torture these animals) turned it around in Karl-Rovian style and blamed PETA for it. Brilliant evil genius!
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 PM
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24. I'm willing to believe that, provided there is evidence to that effect
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:14 PM
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29. Stop the bs. I've already explained to you the CCF is losing money because PETA....
... is stopping their clients' torture of animals. What do you need? A TOUR of these places?

Do your own research.

I have a very low tolerance for bullshit of any sort. Sorry. I will not respond to bullshit again. Call up PETA, talk to some member. If they say something new, let me know.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:23 PM
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40. CCF is definitely biased, and I won't trust their interpretation without evidence
I'm looking to see if anyone has the evidence as to why such a large percentage are destroyed.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:01 AM
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60. You might well be right. However, so far your argument has consisted of...
...a (metaphorical) foot stamp and a bald declaration "I'm right. They're wrong."

When asked to evidence your assertions you stamp harder and flat refuse to provide any evidence to back your assertions.

Now before you stamp yet again, let me say that the way the material in the OP is presented is suspect and appears to be intended to lead the reader to a conclusion that may not actually be merited by the presented facts.

17000 euthanased animals. Then 3000 companion animals. 12 placements. 80 not euthanased. None of those numbers properly match any of the others.

But we might assume that 14000 of the first number are "rescued" research animals and livestock and thus quite probably in extremely poor shape.

But that still leaves just under 3000 actual "companion animals" inadequately accounted for in the raw figures. And if their conditions were all bad enough to warrant euthanasia then why haven't charges been brought against the shelters from which PETA acknowledges some of those animals were "rescued" from?

'That's just not true" is insufficient argument.


PETA could very easily put up a counter argument simply by documenting the condition of the animals it takes in/rescues and making that data available to the public. So far I'm not seeing any evidence that it does so. Selected "Representative examples" are not sufficient.

CCF might well be a front for factory farming interests, but they are not the only ones who criticise PETA. Quite a few animal shelters and other animal welfare organisations with good records have little good to say about PETA. WHY?

And if you believe that they are wrong then refute them with facts and not assertions.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #60
64. Do your own research, then return to me. nt
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:06 AM
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81. You know, I'm inclined to think that some of your assertions are correct,
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 09:06 AM by olafvikingr
but your complete unwillingness to back up your strong assertions with any evidence makes me want to tell you to go piss up a rope with how you are treating people that just want a little info.

It tells ME that you don't actually have any proof yourself. I just love the 'because I said so' argument.


Olafr
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #81
88. Believe what you like, do your own research, or research nothing. nt
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:07 PM
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19. Peta Shmeta

America euthanizes 8-12 million cats and dogs a year.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:10 PM
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22. Do you believe every corporate PR operative's press release?
Or only those that reinforce your own biases?

If you really thought this "unbelievable" you should have done a minimum of fact-checking rather than repeating corporate propaganda as if it were true. Only a fool or a shill would take the word of an anti-PETA PR firm and repeat it uncritically. In the future you might want to show yourself to be a bit less gullible or whatever by doing a little research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prnewswire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Consumer_Freedom
"CCF has campaigned against positions held by Humane Society of the United States, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, the Center for Science in the Public Interest, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and Oceana."

They are professional liars.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #22
58. thanks for the links
i can't wait to see what interesting scoops the OP posts from PR Newswire next!:puke:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 PM
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26. This is why I hate Peta.
And the cats can go vegetarian diet they peddled awhile ago that killed cats.
It's getting so agencies that SAY they help really become a cover for something that HARMS. The Catholic church, the Gop, the Protestant church, Peta,Hospitals being allowed to test drugs and other shit on patients, prisons become labs shit like that..the list goes on and on.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:17 PM
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33. Did you read the entire thread before you posted this?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:16 AM
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51. The PETA vegetarian cat diet was a stoooooopid move.
I'd like to se more MA's and PhD's handing out info.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:24 PM
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41. people eating tasty animals? nt.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:35 PM
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46. Ding, your fries are done. The majority of these people are no better than
the religious nuts out there. It always makes the people that really are trying to do good look bad.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #46
50. I agree
It's sad when an ideology trumps using effective tactics,wisdom and sanity..Peta has made themselves become the butt of a joke to many people.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:40 PM
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48. I found this on Yahoo News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080111/pl_usnw/peta_killed97_percent_of__companion_animals__in2006

It appears the 97% statistic is from an official report from PETA.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. yep and still peta supporters want to deny that
fact. And the try to sell people on stupid ideas like feeding cats,true carnivores vegan diets.. I think peta has become a political train wreck. They are doing more harm than good, but in some things like the KFC and the animal experimentation they do get footage that leads to convictions and shame for companies that grossly abuse animals.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:28 AM
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54. the 97% figure is a moot point if the point made in posts #18, 11, and 9 is true
"This news is misleaeding for the following reason:

PETA picks up pets and animals that have been tortured and are sick due to torture and mistreatment. Many of these pets DO NOT MAKE IT. They die regardless of the medical treatment they receive. Most of the animals PETA picks up are animals in horrible distress. Now I don't know about you, but I myself don't know of any way to raise a dead animal from the dead, nor how to keep alive an animal that is so tortured and so sick that it's going to die regardless of medical treatment."

Hey, I adopted a starving puppy from the local pound, but was advised by my vet to take it back because it had parvo. My on-line research convinced me that there was not a lot they can do about parvo.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:50 AM
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71. I don't think it's a moot Point
this is an official Report from PETA these are their numbers of companion pets not lab animals. Now Show me a reputable news source that backs up your claim.

I really hate when posters think we should just take their word for something and not provide information that backs it up.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:16 AM
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83. You should take your own advice.
"In courtroom testimony last year, a PETA manager acknowledged that her organization maintains a large walk-in freezer for storing dead animals"

Link (and no, press releases from the corporate whores at the CCF don't count). Because anyone who actually lives in Norfolk and knows where the headquarters is, or anyone who has actually worked for PETA, would laugh at something this ridiculous.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:56 AM
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56. Who is the "Center for Consumer Freedom?"
The Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) (formerly called the "Guest Choice Network") is a front group for the restaurant, alcohol and tobacco industries. It runs media campaigns which oppose the efforts of scientists, doctors, health advocates, environmentalists and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, calling them "the Nanny Culture -- the growing fraternity of food cops, health care enforcers, anti-meat activists, and meddling bureaucrats who 'know what's best for you.' "

Over 40 of the group's 2005 expenditure was paid to Rick Berman's PR company, Berman & Co. for "management services. <1> As part of its operations CCF runs a series of attack websites, including "consumerfreedom.com, activistcash.com, cspiscam.com, animal-scam.com, fishscam.com, obesitymyths.com, physiciansscam.com petalkillsanimals.com".<2>




http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:00 AM
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59. Oh my god, you just posted a Center for Consumer Freedom press release with a straight face?
:rofl:
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:12 AM
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61. It was a typical hit and run post designed only
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 03:14 AM by ConsAreLiars
to promote a certain corporate interest. Not new, not defended, just another addition to the noise machine.

(edit to add) And of course a certain percentage of readers swallowed the Kool-Aid and thought it tasted really, really good.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:26 AM
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77. Yes
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:12 AM
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62. Some of the rural shelters in the area were putting animals down with gas or a .22
(Gas is horrific- there's some footage of gas killings at a rural shelter in the movie Earthlings, which should clear up why that's a huge problem) PETA offered to arrange for more humane euthanasia for those shelters. PETA is an advocacy group, they don't run a shelter, and the animals they did adopt out likely went mostly to staff.

Gawd, how many times has this shit been posted? Try searching people, and watch your sources, because the CCF is full of crap.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:01 AM
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67. There's nothing more satisfying to me than catching corporations lying about do-gooder orgs.
This little investigation of mine has given me great pleasure.

The Center for Consumer Freedom is a piece of crap. I'll have to keep close tabs on this corporation's best friend group and see what other shit they're up to. No doubt they are up to a lot of crap. Turns out the Center for Consumer Freedom is more like the Center for Right of Corps to Torture Animals. Nice going fellows!
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:05 AM
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68. What a load of crap.
PETA gives people plenty of reason to criticize them, but this is not one of them.

For starters, people have already pointed out that the press release comes from the CCF, which is an organization that represents the restaurant and alcohol lobby. See http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom. When they are not attackign PETA, they're attacking drunk-driving laws, MADD, the "obesity myth," and the "myth" that people should be concerned about mercury in fish. "Petakillsanimals" is nothing more than one more shill site for the industries that make billions of dollars off of the torture and death of animals, so pardon me if I find their concern over all the cute wittle kitties and puppies a bit hollow.

Next, PETA is not a rescue organization. It's not their responsibility to place animals with homes, and it is also not PETA themselves that does euthanizing, it's veterinarians they work with. It was the CCF that put out the ridiculous rumor that PETA has a giant freezer for storing dead cats and dogs. (Nevermind the fact that the PETA headquarters is nothing more than a fucking office building in downtown Norfolk). Anyway, if you have a problem with PETA working with veterinarians to euthanize animals that are deemed too sick or unadoptable to live, then maybe you should be protesting at your local animal shelter as well.

Thirdly, do you direct your outrage over the billions (literally, billions) of "food" animals that are killed every year for your dinner, or do you reserve it for just the "cute" animals? Talk about hypocritical....

Like I said, there's plenty of reasons to criticize PETA, this is not one of them. And if I were going to criticize PETA, I wouldn't be using a bunch of right-wing industry shills as my source.
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candymarl Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:17 AM
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69. Use the Google
I did. I found a site with excerpts from the trial transcript. There is also a link to an actual news source (not an anti-Peta website). It doesn't look good for Peta unless the newspaper account and the trial transcript have been faked. Not making a judgment, just providing information.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:27 AM
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70. Would have been awful nice of you to post a link, you know. /nt
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:52 AM
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72. Here's your link
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #72
82. Here's one for you.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom

Critical thinking: try it sometime. You might like it.

And I'm sure you're outside protesting your local animal shelter every weekend, right? And I'm sure you care deeply about the billions of animals killed every year for food by the clients of the CCF, right?
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:01 PM
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86. The 97% Percent kill rate comes from PETA's own official report
This is not some CFC bullshit which I'm sure there is plenty of.


If you want to really help companion pets their are plenty of NO-KILL shelters and organizations that do not kill the animals they rescue.

I'm sure PETA does some things right but a 97% Percent kill rate for companion pets quite frankly isn't a very good track record.
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candymarl Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:57 AM
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73. Sorry
I haven't figured out how to do links yet. It was a Raleigh newspaper. The Raleigh News and Observer IIRC.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:24 AM
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76. No biggie.
FYI: All you have to do is copy and paste the URL from your address bar. For instance, here's a link to this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2676656&mesg_id=2676656
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ThePowerofWill Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:06 AM
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74. Hypocrites.
Yet Peta supporters wonder why Peta has such a bad reputation among the general populace.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:32 AM
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79. Probably because the general populace reads about as thoroughly as you did?
Did you read the rest of the thread? At the very least the spin in this article are debatable. So easy to throw the word hypocrite around. Takes a little more time to digest the nuances.
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:27 AM
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78. Peta,
Eat MY meat.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:43 AM
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80. Well, since you're obviously not a supporter of PETA
Well, since you're obviously not a supporter of PETA, I'll double my annual donation to make up for you. :)
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:48 AM
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84. The guy that owns CCF outright
Richard B. (Rick) Berman is a former labor management attorney and restaurant industry executive who currently works as a lobbyist for the food, alcoholic beverage and tobacco industries. He is the sole owner of Berman & Co., which sponsors many front groups that defend his corporate clients' interests by attacking their critics, allowing his paying clients to remain out of public view.

He is the President, Executive Director and Director of the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). CCF's 2005 IRS return states that Berman works 23 hours a week for the group for which he is paid $18,000. <1> In spite of its name, was more concerned about industry than the consumer. He is also the Executive Director and President of both the Employment Policies Institute Foundation and the American Beverage Institute. <2>

According to a July 31, 2006, profile of Berman in USA Today, his company has 28 employees and takes in $10 million dollars a year, but "only Berman and his bookkeeper wife" know how much of the $10 million ends up in their own pockets. <1>
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:54 AM
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85. Idiotic that DUers would take the word of an org that's vocally against
organizations like

Sierra Club
Waterkeepers Alliance
Greenpeace
Adbusters

as well as PETA.

And has a full page hitpiece on Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

I remember when research was the norm around here.

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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:09 PM
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87. The reality is that PETA might not believe in even having pets
They don't have a real adoptive program for the animals they take in. They don't have a program to train or rehabilitate troubled dogs or cats. They don't have even an advertising campaign to promote the adoption of their animals.

Why? I really don't know for sure. But if you believe in pet adoption I'd recommend contributing to the ASPCA or the Humane Society or your local Kennel. Even if the numbers are fudged by conservative groups, PETA will more than likely make no effort to adopt out there animals and will ultimately kill them.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:55 PM
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89. this thread should be locked -- because as has been pointed out -- tho OP is incorrect.
people are arguing over something that is virtually not real.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:50 AM
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91. I mentioned the article to my wife
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:51 AM by Mythsaje
and, according to the rescue lists she's on, this isn't just bullshit. They're currently being investigated over these allegations. She told me about the percentages before I told HER.

Something to keep in mind.
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