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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:04 AM
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Party bosses, smoke-filled rooms, the DNC, and the people of the party.
This article is just as enlightening to me as the other post Sara did at Next Hurrah right after the election last year. I have it below after this recent article by her.

The Next Hurrah on the structure of the Democratic Party.

In fact one should always keep in mind that there is really no such thing as a National Democratic Party -- there are 50 plus state and territorial parties that have the franchise for their state, and in turn the DNC, Democratic National Committee is a representative body elected by the State Parties. People came to understand this in 2005 when Howard Dean was elected Chair of the DNC on the platform of strengthening the State Parties by investing in assets and skilled staff, something those who have problems with State Parties having influence have had a bit of difficulty with over the past couple of years.

Last year we all witnessed Rahm Emanual calling out Dean for not sending his DCCC committee more funds, while Dean kept putting assets and staff into states. Understanding such power jousts is just one element in seeing the picture of our party as it currently exists. Dean solved the problem by borrowing money that he shared with Rahm, but the assets Dean put at the State Level ended up electing more Congresspersons than Rahm's committee did. For now, Dean 1, Rahm 0. But one thing is sure, there will be another tournament, for power centers are always contested.


The real "smoke-filled" rooms.

Back in the bad old days before 1972, Party Bosses played a much more powerful role in Democratic Parties than they do today. The elections for the ongoing officers in the party were closed systems -- old Mayor Daley would sit down with his best buddies and decide endorsements for office, state and national committee people, state and local party officers, and it would all be put on one slate, and offered as a package, with little opposition. The McGovern-Fraser reforms ended all that, State Parties must have elections for these positions, and the process must be open to opposition, and in any sort of delegate selection, awards must be based on rules of proportionality, gender balance and affirmative action with respect to racial, religious and ethnic groups.

It was a huge change -- and one result of it was that the old Powers-that-Were actually let a number of State Parties go into Bankruptcy rather than conform to the new Rules. A number of State Parties in the South took this route rather than allow Black elected Party Officers control the parties. They declared bankruptcy, local courts took them into receivership, and the same good-ole boys continued to control things. When Dean was elected one of the first things he had to do was pull the parties out of receivership, in many cases discovering that assets in warehouses were little more than 1970's typewriters and mimeo machines.


This part stood out for me in the light of recent events in two states.

Some parts of the land like their politics one-party flavored, thus narrowing the range of who can contest for power. Many insider fights are about such.


More from the post:

I hope that at least the State Chairs and the DNC members extract promises for keeping the Dean Reforms of the Party as the price of their endorsements. It is one area where I have Clinton Doubts -- her Husband was not a party builder, and he did not recommend DNC chairs who cared about the State Parties. Hillary sided with Rahm Emanual in that little joust last year over party money, and she did not support party ownership of all the new technology Dean has distributed to the state parties. Put clearly, I want strong state parties so we can win the battle of reapportionment in 2011, and the only way to do that is to control State Legislatures and Governorships. And I have my doubts about Obama too, what with all the talk about bi-partisan approaches. In one sense he is of the remains of the old Chicago Machine, and while much of it is dead, some parts still live.


I share her doubts about both candidates and whoever they might want for the DNC. The DNC members are the ones who decide. Traditionally they would vote for the pick of the nominee.

Sara wrote last year at Next Hurrah about the things the DNC under Howard Dean had to do to empower the states instead of leaving the power with the DC insiders.

Dean had to get 12 state parties out of bankruptcy, pay unpaid debt, get padlocks off doors.

I had discovered how pathetic many of our state parties actually were. Many were literally bankrupt, the office supplies and machines (typewriters) had been taken for unpaid debt, and padlocks were on the door. The State Committees that had the franchise were held in one or another lawyer's file cabinet, (In Georgia it had been Bert Lance's for about 20 years), and the reason for this condition was frankly racism. The Southern States would not allow the release of the franchise to a newly elected Central Committee or Board, because it would be Black. They could do this because the parties were in bankruptcy, and whatever lawyer had the letterhead in his files was also the court appointed trustee.

....."When Dean took over the DNC -- this was the condition of about twelve of our State Parties. He actually had to find lawyers to go into court and get the parties out of this kind of "Trusteeship" before he could even begin to reorganize. In fact, one of the reasons some of the Field Organizers Dean appointed are on the staff of the DNC rather than state parties is because it avoids dealing with old trustees and old court judgments."


This paragraph really stuck with me from her last post after the November 2006 elections. She had been discussing the Carville attacks on Howard Dean, and he really was in no position to make such statements...that he should be replaced. The battle seems much bigger and that statement of hers took on new importance in the light of what else she said.

According to reporting on KO, Hillary Clinton's office is saying they did not "sign off" on the Carville attack on Dean. As Keith said, that is a bit nuanced, and it needs follow up. The language of "sign off" bothers.Indeed the ultimate question is whether local party organizations can select their own representatives or whether that power will be taken away from the state parties by the DSCC and the DCCC who substitute themselves (as elected officials) for the party organization or the DNC and what creates it. That is what is at stake."


Things are going to happen come November, maybe before. There will be change again. I hope that since Dean's strategy has given some power back to the states, they will stand up for someone else to chair who will follow that plan. However the recent actions of Florida and Michigan in preventing the voters from choosing the nominee do not bode well in my mind.

I did not realize how fully the people had been removed from actual party policy making for many years. Perhaps I was feeling a little empowered, a little more a part of the party here. That was struck down when they organized with the GOP to move the primary ahead. It showed me that they neither want nor need the voices of the people. What was done in those two states reverted back to the old way...the way of the "party bosses" mentioned by Sara in her latest post at Next Hurrah.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:09 AM
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1. Thanks. I found this very enlightening.
I feel I understand now that Dean wanted to put the party back into the hands of the people.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:14 AM
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2. Can you explain or provide links about DLC vs. DNC? I know you are
a fan of Howard Dean as most here are. When I see Rahm's name, I cringe. Then to see the Clintons, not unexpected, but actually expected. How is Obama or Edwards immeshed in the DLC, as I've read?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:33 AM
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4. Here's my opinion for what it is worth.
I think many of the major politicians were at one time or the other affiliated with the DLC and its related think thanks. I think some were and maybe now are not.

It used the be the way to get elected, even though the DLC was not really supposed to advocate for candidates. But times are changing.

The blogosphere and activists groups are really just beginning go come into their own, and now there are other ways....but it is coming slowly.

I think the DLC did some fudging and claimed some who were not really that affiliated with them. They wrote a lot of stuff about Dean when he was governor, as he was pretty centrist.

Obama was listed, then he wasn't. However he gave one of the first speeches before Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project....about which there is very little that could be called liberal.

Some were members through the years, some were active founders, some still are active. It claims a lot of candidates locally, and I often wonder if they all know that.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:56 AM
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8. Thanks for your perception. I also wonder about the genesis,
who's involved, and why. And why don't we have the answers? Emanuel is there for sure, but when one of Pelosi's surrogates endorsed Obama, I wonder. Perhaps that's her way of telling us she's not 'one of them'?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:17 PM
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16. I have no doubt that group is totally dictating policy.
And that every candidate will use that policy. That is where my gripe is. It is like it is set in concrete...especially the national security, fear terror, thing.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:16 AM
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12. I credit Debra Bowen's election to the activists of the voting
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 02:23 AM by truedelphi
Reform movement, and to the internet and the blogs.


Having her as Secretary of State in Canlifornia is a good thing, but even she initially gets confused. Imagine being New to the office of Secretary of State, and then receiving a call in regards to voting, saying that such and such means the end of democracy,

A couple of times she has made false starts because now that she is in the seat of power, she has to attend to that office, and cannott gather the type of information she could when she was more of an activist.

She got elected because of the voting activists, and despite lack of funds for ads and a total lack of exposure on TV.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:02 PM
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23. I have been impressed with Bowen.
We donated to her campaign. She was a grassroots success.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:23 AM
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26. I sleep quite a bit better because of this.
And every time local NBC affiliates come on with their know it all smarminess, I think back to election night Nov 2006 - when they kept interviewing her opponent over and over and saying how the opponent had the election to SOS in the bag.

The media is truly dreadful.

We need media reform as much as election reform.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:31 AM
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3. great work
Thanks so much for this.

Nominated.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:47 AM
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6. Thanks.
I must give credit to Sara at Next Hurrah. She really has the pulse of the party.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:47 AM
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5. Thanks for the AHA Madfloridian
I do hope you read my last post on your previous thread....
that's exactly what the exec board was trying to do - take the power away from the delegates and return it to the few to make the decisions and lock the delegates into a pledge to do as the board told them. Adding penalties to those that didnt tow the line.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:49 AM
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7. I missed it but will check now.
This is finally hitting my little old Southern naive brain. It was done on purpose, I knew that. But it was done to keep the power. That is just sinking in now.

It breaks my heart to see the way Governor Dean is being bashed in Florida. It is more than just "politics"...it is dirty stuff.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:52 PM
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17. I read your post in the other thread.
It made me stop and think...I don't see signs anywhere for anyone. Seems to me we had our Dean signs well before this time last primary, and neighbors had their signs for their candidates. I don't see anything here.

At first it did not really occur to me this was such a serious power play by party leaders for their own benefit, but now it is sinking in. The people are caught in the middle, confused, and not sure who to be angry with. Very bad situation.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:05 AM
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9. Bringing the party back to vitality on a national level
must be an urgent post election priority.

I wish someone who has the needed savvy would put together a task force to secure and extent the Democratic party's
technical effectiveness and security of strategic communications at the state level as well as the national one.

We don't need to return to the boss system, that now Republican territory. We need to break the military industrial intelligence and corporatist oligarchy. Because its money has the whole system enthralled, and the agency ultimately entrusted as the fire watch, journalism, has abandoned its constitutionally protected role, we find ourselves in a possibly mortal struggle for constitutional government. And we find ourselves there with a curtain of noise that keeps us from hear the concerns of our neighbors, thanks to the cash nexus ownership of what we get to hear about our world.

So we either have to flee or fix it. To do that, we will need strong state parties. We may need states to introduce an amendment allowing a 2/3s majority of State Supreme Courts to overrule its findings regarding constitutionality. Played exclusively at a national level, governance has proven too easy to corrupt and game. Merely doubling the lobbying efforts by special interests of 50 state legislatures would remove the incentive for even trying. If the national parties and institutions cannot govern responsive to the real challenges in the world around us, then to respond to challenges foreign and domestic, we may be forced to use the state parties to reduce the federal role to that of the administrator of a commonwealth of states.

The constitution must be fully restored. Signing statements must be curtailed or eliminated, as must recess appointments. The earmark and the no-bid contract must not occur under a Democratic president. Anti-labor activities by the administration must not be allowed to go un opposed. Giveaways to big biz must be reversed. I believe we can use the state parties to restore the New Deal and revise it to be the Twenty First Century American Agreement. A true bargain and a clear understanding between the governing and the governed that certain truths are self-evident, so manifest as to be self-endowed.

We can agree that food, shelter, and health are too core to human dignity to depend on financial status. We agree that education is the most critical factor in self-sustaining self-government. In a democracy, will is not a substitute for wit. We can agree that we are a member of a community of nations, but recently we have become rather deaf and unacceptably belligerent. We can agree that whatever danger exists from terrorism, it is not more of a danger than the loss of liberty, or worse, the expectation that one is free.


We can agree that funds currently spent on a gargantuan military presence would be better spent at home. We can agree that one Katrina was two too many.
Far from the days of crony filled corrupt boss machines, today we have the potential to rebuilt the state parties around core Democratic party values that serve our citizenry, not the supernatural persons of corporate-hood or their fear based gravy train. If the National Party lacks the will, we may have to reconsider the role of the national party and its scope.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:10 AM
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10. What you said...
" wish someone who has the needed savvy would put together a task force to secure and extent the Democratic party's technical effectiveness and security of strategic communications at the state level as well as the national one."

That is in effect what Dean has tried to do. It has taken a lot of money to get things in place, and the Dems who favor the strategy of campaigning in just a few states don't like what he has done.

Not all accomplished. But they are the goals.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:42 PM
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22. I am pleased to hear that
And I wish bad shit to fall on those who hacked us in the Senate.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:25 AM
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13. Everything you write is very true.
Now try getting Dianne Feinstein, who controls much of the party in California, to sign on to any of it.

I get overwhelmed thinking about how needed the reforms are, and how much things stand in the way.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:12 AM
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11. Thanks, madfloridian
Very enlightening. Bankrupt local party offices, huh? No wonder the Dems didn't win.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:48 AM
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14. Excellent post. What an eyeopener. Dean would have made a great
president.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:44 AM
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15. Well, now...
I won't argue about that. I think so, too.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:54 PM
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18. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:09 PM
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19. lol, I've done that before.
But thanks for the second thoughts. :-)

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:19 PM
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20. Kick ... nt
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:49 PM
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21. The DLC
and Josef Liebermann: Perfect together. Need to know any more than that?
They have it in their head that the way to win elections is to get lots of corporate money to buy TV time. That is the 1992 model. The Internet and the TV remote have rendered that model damn near ineffective. Who really pays attention to political campaign commercials? My first reaction to them is reach for the remote. Shit, every day more people turn off the TV news.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:22 PM
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24. Sorry too late to rec. THIS is the kind of insight I come to DU for. Thank you! nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:01 AM
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25. Thanks for the kind words.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:05 AM by madfloridian
:hi:

That's odd, someone else told me it was too late to recommend, but here are the rules, and look what time I posted it. :shrug: Odd.

" Topics can be recommended for 24 hours after they are first posted on our message board. This page shows topics that have received at least five recommendations, and topics remain on the page for 24 hours"

Time close to being up, but not yet.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:35 PM
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27. Party politics showing in Nevada.
I had not been keeping up with that state much. Looks like the DNC is coming into the lawsuit, and I am glad to see that.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/dnc_intervenes_in_nevada_atlar.php

"This means that the DNC wants to preserve the principle that state parties can determine their delegate selection rules, and then, having chosen those rules, submit them to the DNC for the approval. A DNC official said the motion was filed because procedurally, it was the only way the party could file a brief in support of the party.

"Obviously, we support the Nevada state party and the previously recognized right of the national parties to set the rules for the nominating contests,"

The DNC fought Florida Democrats in court who charged that the DNC's decision to reject the Florida party's delegate selection date amount to an equal protection violation. The court sided with the DNC. A judge was set to rule on a temporary restraining order yesterday...

BTW: it seems as if the DNC and the Clinton family are on the opposite sides of this debate."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:44 PM
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28. Kick, cause we are heading back to the smoke-filled rooms and party bosses.
And there is no way to stop it really. :shrug:
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