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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:46 PM
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What do the Nevada teachers want?
I'm wondering what the Nevada teachers and the others who filed the lawsuit in NV..are after.

Do they only want to abolish the caucus sites at the casinos? Is that their only demand?

Or, are they asking for special caucus sites for themselves and others?



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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:48 PM
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1. the union leaders filed it
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 05:49 PM by fenriswolf
I just saw a letter of disent on the boards here from the nevada teachers protesting the union leaders decision, ill see if I can find it.

*edit* found it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4064920
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:17 PM
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13. You gotta be kidding me???
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 06:18 PM by TwoSparkles
Ok, the head of the teacher's unions are fueling this lawsuit and the
teachers are protesting the union leaders actions????

I'd really hate for Obama to due to the fact that Hillary
is running her NV campaign into the ditch.

This lawsuit looks like "sour grapes" from the Hillary surrogates. She
could stop it in a heartbeat. Talk about a PR nightmare for her.

Who is running her campaign? I'm sorry, but does Hillary not see how
damaging this is to her? Geez, I almost feel bad for her.

So, we have the culinary-union members fired up and ticked off and the members of the
teacher's union are not liking this.

Hello Obama people...Hillary is sending you a gift with this malarkey.

Maybe Obama should step in and try to broker a solution? Risky...but
it could be an incredible opportunity.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:48 PM
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2. for ppl to caucus in their home precinct
instead of reallocating the precincts to honor the Vegas casino workers.
BTW, why didn't the Vegas casino workers care about their Reno casino worker counterparts?
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:50 PM
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3. This was arranged and approved by all parties months ago
Why are they suddenly upset about it only a week before the caucuses?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:02 PM
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6. I don't know, ask them....
but a caucus will always be a problem for more ppl than a system where you can absentee vote and/or vote within a 14 hour day.

I say get rid of caucuses - its worse for parents and the elderly.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:52 PM
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4. Reno casinos have 4,000 workers?
I don't think any of them do.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:57 PM
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5. (edit) the largest have about 2500-3000
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 06:00 PM by NYCALIZ
but I'm not sure why the size of an individual casino is important?

The issue is whether the employees have an opportunity to caucus.
The Reno employees are at equal disadvantage in terms of work hours.



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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:08 PM
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7. The at-large sites have 4,000+ employees
That's why they were chosen. And anybody within 2.5 miles can caucus at them.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:10 PM
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8. I hate caucus process
I think its bad for the majority of ppl.
I think they should eliminate all caucus and replace with voting with absentee and over a LONG day 14-16 hours.
That gives more ppl an opportunity to participate.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:13 PM
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9. What if they set up a precinct at the casinos?
And the teachers' union tried to throw those out?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:15 PM
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12. I repeat, I hate caucus process
more ppl will always be unable to participate to the timing limitations.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:20 PM
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15. A ballot precinct?
What if they were an at-large ballot precinct to let workers vote at work all day? These are primaries, the Party makes the rules.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:58 PM
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20. I'm all for a national holiday on election day
so more ppl have an opportunity to vote.

I don't think a national holiday for primaries is possible, but the opportunity to participate in the primary shouldn't require you to physically be at a particular place at a particular time unless that time includes the entire day.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:17 PM
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22. The Party sets the primary rules
The Party can make it any way they want. If they wanted to have a ballot primary, they could. They could require most people to vote in their home precincts, but say businesses with more than 4,000 employees can also have precincts to assist more people to vote. It's a Party primary, not a national election. Do you have a problem with that?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:39 AM
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23. yes, caucus reduces participation
looks like less than 1/3 participate in caucus v ballot primary

why do you want to make it harder for ppl to participate?
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:14 PM
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10. The Reno casino workers could have asked for a similar deal
Perhaps they didn't. :shrug:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:18 PM
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14. They are union as well, so they must not have asked. Reno is a much smaller city, though,
both demographically and geographically.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:15 PM
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11. Apparently it's just about stopping the casino caucuses.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/12/voting-stripa-no-no-suit-says/

The lawsuit claims that those voting in at-large precincts being held on the Strip would have too much weight compared with those voting at their polling places, violating the equal protection law of the U.S. Constitution. It also claims the at-large precincts violate state statute in the way they were drawn.

State Democratic Party officials disputed the lawsuit’s contentions.

"This has been a fully transparent process,” party spokeswoman Kirsten Searer said. “These rules have been approved by the Democratic National Committee and the campaigns have been fully informed throughout this process, which started in May.”


More at link.

I'm trying to stay neutral here, but I have to say the timing really bothers me. It should have been done the moment the decision was made--it can't have been an utter surprise.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:20 PM
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16. Are you in Nevada?
If so, I'd be interested to hear how this is playing out.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:24 PM
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19. No, just curious and looked it up.
I do visit LV a LOT and as I mention above, the traffic on the strip is HORRIBLE which may explain why the CWU wanted on-site caucuses.

It's a nightmare and a half, that traffic.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:22 PM
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17. I've been to Las Vegas many times, and the traffic on the Strip is
dense as a diamond 24/7. It literally moves along at about 10 miles an hour if you are lucky.

IMHO, the casino workers need those on-site caucuses (note: yesterday I had a candidate (Edwards) and today I'm waivering so I'm NOT taliking sides here), just relating my own experience.

Unless you've experienced it, you just cannot possibly imagine what the traffic is like.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:23 PM
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18. Here's an update -- more teachers have sent a letter
January 14, 2008

Ms. Lynn Warne

President

Nevada State Education Association

3511 East Harmon Avenue

Las Vegas, NV 89121

Dear President Warne:

As teachers in Nevada, and members of the Nevada State Education Association, we are deeply dismayed that our union is trying to stop our students’ parents from caucusing on Saturday. We urge them in the strongest terms to drop this lawsuit immediately.

Many of our students are Hispanic Americans and come from low-income families. Their parents are construction workers, McDonald’s employees, and other shift workers on the strip, who work around the clock, and won’t have time to travel to their caucus locations on Saturday. That’s why the state Democratic committee set up nine at-large precinct locations on the strip – to provide nearby caucus locations for Nevadans who otherwise wouldn’t be able to caucus.

These at-large locations were approved back in March of 2007, and no one raised any concerns about them for nearly a year. But now, our union is filing a lawsuit making the baseless charge that these at-large caucus locations are discriminatory, when the fact is they were set up to make sure as many Nevadans could caucus as possible.

This lawsuit is all about politics. It’s widely known that many of our union’s top officials support Senator Clinton and now that the Culinary Workers Union has endorsed Senator Obama, they’re using our union to stop Nevadans from caucusing for Senator Obama.

We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what’s right for our students, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support.

Sincerely,

Tamara Anderson, Elementary School Counselor

Monica Baldwin, 3rd grade teacher

Jodi Brant, Government teacher for 12th graders

Mari Calderon, Kindergarten teacher

Jessica Cohn, 3rd grade teacher

Ketica Guter, 3rd grade teacher

Sarah Irby, Kindergarten teacher

Padmini Jambulapati, 7th and 8th grade teacher

Tracy Kamhi, 10th, 11th, and 12th grade teacher

Jennifer Kehs, 4th grade teacher

Clara Munk, Primary Reading teacher

Matthew O’Keefe, 4th grade teacher

Frances Rabbitt, Special Education teacher

Chantae Readye, 5th grade teacher

Jessica Tolliver, 1st grade teacher
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/14/13405/7277/645/436667
http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/14/nevada-teachers-speak-out-against-lawsuit/


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:59 PM
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21. Kicking for some input from Nevadans--especially LVers. nt
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