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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:41 AM
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Losing faith in politics ... or ... Losing faith in your fellow citizens
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 10:41 AM by Angela Shelley
There was a very interesting discussion earlier today about "positive comments at DU", and some DUers commented about "losing faith/hope/interest in politics".

This makes me wonder.

If you are losing faith/hope/interest in politics, are you also AUTOMATICALLY losing faith/hope/interest in your fellow citizens?







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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:49 AM
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1. No.
A never automatically means B, no matter what the subject.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:51 AM
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2. Politics as an answer to problems is highly overrated.
The founders tried to prevent the formation of political parties (they called them factions) that would only seek power rather than the good of the Republic.

See George Washington's farewell address.

They had more faith in the people back then.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:57 AM
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3. Not automatically, but yes, I have lost faith in Americans overall
They do not question, think, reason, or fight. They consume and regurgitate.

Obviously there are many exceptions, but the majority of Americans are lemmings.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:01 AM
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5. Exactly. This empire is cooked. But our species will carry on
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:07 AM
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10. Ever read 'Earth Abides'?
The world will survive. Our species is optional.

Americans COULD save their country and species, but they won't.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:10 AM
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11. Will look it up. "The Dude abides..." lol {sorry, had to}
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:23 AM
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16. Then there's the one about the patient soul singer....
"Aretha Bides" :P
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:12 AM
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12. Auh, some classic fiction. I love Harlan Ellison, Philip K Dick, Theodore Sturgeon
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:19 AM
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14. Can we teach old lemmings new citizen tricks?
Could we be "re-educated" to question, think, reason, or fight?
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:25 AM
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18. Sure, if we can have access to the same tools
...that turned them into lemmings in the first place.
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:27 AM
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19. I´m ready for a lesson in "mass manipulation"
tell me more, tell me more.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:29 PM
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28. Not my field, I must confess. A huge quandary.
How does one undo decades of propagandization without resorting to the same techniques used to get us to this point?

Talk about becoming the abyss....
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:00 AM
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4. Many prevailing ideologies considered 'good' and 'normal' warp perception of reality
This is done from the top-down, as to get a greater percentage of the populace on board with the aims and goals of the corporate/state nexus. An unfortunate byproduct of this is that it serves to cloud the ability to abide simple moral truths. From there, as we see, the herd polices itself according to the prevailing perceptions. This is a key component to the Divide and Rule stratagem. Human beings are no more or less intelligent or debased now than they were thousands of yrs ago. Nothing under the sun is new. It's just that the schemes used by elites to control the masses are more elaborate because of the technologies that one, serve our species beneficially, and two, also have the capacity to more effectively imprison minds.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:04 AM
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7. Which, inevitably, results ih this.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:06 AM
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8. And this...
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:22 AM
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15. And what does one do to "free himself from imprisonment"
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 11:28 AM by Angela Shelley
in this society/state?

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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:02 AM
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6. Nope. I put all my faith in my fellow citizens...they know.
Nothing ever got changed in this country til the people did something about it...politicans are slow that way.
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:24 AM
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17. Nice to hear that you choose "fellow citizens"
to bring about change.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:07 AM
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9. I've never had faith in politics, even less in politicians.
And my fellow citizens are too easily duped and led around by the M$M.

What the country lacks is leaders being elected.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:15 AM
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13. I don't know how to see so many complaints can be anything BUT a loss of fath in citizens - even
a loss of faith in fellow Democrats.

When the nominees our fellow Dems put forward are dissed as being Republican, or DINOs, it's also a diss on the voters.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:33 AM
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20. No
because the average fellow citizen is neither a politician nor intensely involved in politics.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:57 AM
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21. I agree with you conclusion.
I keep getting the feeling that something, and I have no idea what, is diminishing Americans ability to think logically. We are continuing to move politics in increasingly destructive directions.
Why would we do that?
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:21 PM
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22. IMHO, it´s "organized American religion"
which keeps people from thinking logically.

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:38 PM
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25. I have no doubt that your theory about religious teaching is
correct. There is no way that fabricated truths can be successful in the battle for survival.

But, the religious component may be a factor in a larger array of factors contributing to what appears to be a steady decline in cognitive abilities of the American people. I'm suspicious of environmental hazards known and unknown.

You've heard the expression "mad as a hatter". It turned out that hatters were working with lead in the hat blocking process and the lead was making them crazy. The Romans were also "done in" by their
use of pewter eating utensils that contained lead.
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:41 PM
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27. Interesting point, ´maybe you are on to something.
Maybe it´s genetically altered food?

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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:29 PM
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23. Read Bowling Alone
There's certainly a relationship between the two.
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:35 PM
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24. Thanks for the book tip, Strawman.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:40 PM
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26. No. Shit floats. nt
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