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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:19 PM
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Remember when Dean said we should go after Confederate flag voters?
Wonder how many of those voters would vote for someone named Barack Hussein Obama? I think Hillary will get at least some those voters and their wives because of nostalgia for the prosperity of the Clinton years. But Obama? I think if Obama is the nominee, the Democratic party will be an also ran forever. Might as well start a new party. Maybe that's what Bloomberg is waiting for.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:20 PM
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1. And you think they'd vote for Hillary Clinton? They'd more likely vote for a
man of any color.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:24 PM
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4. I personally know many who would and won't vote for Obama
Might as well run some named Adolph Stalin Hirohito after world war 2.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:22 PM
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2. Like the ones in Iowa and southern Illinois?
He did fine there. Just like he did fine getting the Latino vote that isn't supposed to be able to get.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:25 PM
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5. Obama did great running against Alan Keyes
:rofl:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:29 PM
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11. Keyes ran in Iowa? I missed that n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:31 PM
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13. Keyes in Illinois. nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:34 PM
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19. Yes I know
which is why his reference to Keyes is stupid because I didn't refer only to Illinois.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:39 PM
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22. Sorry. I should read more carefully. nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:43 PM
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29. I should have added the sarcasm tag n/t
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:31 PM
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No wonder you think Obama is electable, you don't even know who he beat
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 09:32 PM by billbuckhead
in his only statewide election. BTW, caucuses aren't democratic elections.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:33 PM
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17. He didn't beat Keyes in Iowa, DUH
And he also beat Hillary with the white male vote in NH, which is the same kind of voter he needs to get in the south.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:39 PM
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23. But woman are a majority and Hillary got 70%
If you think southern white male voters will vote for Obama then drink some more Kool-aid:spray:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:41 PM
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26. That's region bashing
It didn't used to be allowed here.

My family lives in Arkansas. They're white. They're voting for Obama. Even the men.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:29 PM
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12. I like your candidate, especially since he said "Public Campaign Finance" - but -
We need the truth in order to win. Anyone could beat Alan Keyes.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:32 PM
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15. Blago got the same percentage of the Latino vote in 2006.
I think Latinos just like Democrats in Illinois.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:36 PM
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20. So why won't they vote for Obama?
It's the same stupid argument. People will either vote for the economic message or they aren't.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:38 PM
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21. I wasn't saying they won't. I'm saying he certainly doesn't have a special
appeal.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:42 PM
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28. I said they voted for him in Iowa and southern Illinois
Just like they voted for the Latinos that people say won't vote for him. I didn't say he had a special appeal.

It is bullshit that people are intentionally stirring up racial animosity. That's what Republicans do.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:23 PM
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3. Said it before and I'll say it again...
...I'm not going to avoid voting for someone because of what some racist jackass might think. If Barack loses the GE because he's a lousy politician, then shame on me.....but if he loses the GE because of bigoted assholes, then I wouldn't regret it for one second.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:28 PM
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10. Tell that to all the people of all races without healthcare
Tell that to all the people of all races losing their retirements
Tell that to all the people of all races with bad schools
Tell that to all the people of all races losing their homes
Tell that to all the people of all races losing their jobs

Democrats keep winning moral victories and Republicans keep winning elections.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:43 PM
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30. And well said... every time. Thank you. n/t
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:25 PM
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6. Actually, Bloomberg is waiting for us to de dumb enough to nominate
Hillary "independent repellent" Clinton.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:25 PM
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7. Not many, especially when they find out he's Muslim and went to Madrassa
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:26 PM
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8. It's a fair question.
Afterall, if it's o.k to question whether or not a woman could win, we can ask the same question of a minority too.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:27 PM
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9. Gee, this thread's REALLY gonna help with that HRC-Obama race card truce
:eyes:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:31 PM
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14. Edwards will do fine in the southern states
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:32 PM
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16. How many Southern Baptists are going to vote for Hillary Clinton?
They still teach that wives must submit to their husbands. It will be a cold day in Hell before they vote for a woman President.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:34 PM
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18. Dean took a lot of crap for that viewpoint from the dems INC establishment too nt
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:41 PM
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27. Actually I thought it was despicable but where do we draw the line?
I bet we can find far better unelectable candidates than Obama.
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Terry_M Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:40 PM
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24. So what you're saying is we should elect Edwards?
Sounds good to me.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:40 PM
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25. Screw 'em.
Hit hard in the General and let them stay home on election day. The racist/sexist/ignorant population of this country always has and always will fight progress. It's up to us to make sure they lose once again.
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sb5697 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:49 PM
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One thing we DO know is Independents ARE and HAVE voted
for Obama much more than Hillary. I'd say that's the most important block.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:49 PM
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31. Well, I guess I am gonna have to sit down and lower my expectations again.
Lower, lower...hit the floor.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1606

"I intend to talk about race during this election in the South. The Republicans have been talking about it since 1968 in order to divide us, and I'm going to bring us together. Because you know what? White folks in the South who drive pickup trucks with Confederate flag decals on the back ought to be voting with us because their kids don't have health insurance either, and their kids need better schools too."


His exact words, I agree 100%.

Boy, did I get blasted for defending him. Hit after hit after hit.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:51 PM
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32. You don't think Southern Black turnout for Obama will offset Old Dixie turnout? nt
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:55 PM
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33. Christ.....this bullshit, again?
Dr. Dean DID NOT say we should go after Confederate Flag voters....he said that he should be the guy those with Confederate flags and shotguns in their pickups should vote for. He was saying that those voters, precisely the white Southern male reliable Republican voter, were voting against their own self-interest for decades. If they were truly interested in good jobs, a healthy economy, good schools for their kids and decent health care for their families, they should vote Democratic.

How many more fucking times is this ridiculous meme going to float up?
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