Put in your earplugs, put on your eyeshades; you know where to put the cork.

Also known as see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.

God forbid anyone expose Barack Obama for the sham he is to any of the "progressives" who back him on this sight. Actually, Obama himself is doing a pretty good job of it. But we shall speak no evil of him, we shall not listen to anything that will cast him in a bad light, and we shall not look too closely at what he does in the senate. Right? Because he has CHARISMA. Right? Because he's a candidate for CHANGE. Right? Because he wants to ignore the past and look to the FUTURE. Right?

I don't have a viable dog in this fight. I personally don't think much of Hillary or John Edwards. My reasons are many, but that is beside the point I am making here. I saw the youtube of Barack Obama talking about Reagan, and you Obama supporters just can't spin that away. It's bad enough that he seems out of his element on foreign policy. It's completely baffling to me why he wants to turn his back on the boomer generation. It's unfathomable that he feels that Bushco's crimes haven't risen to the level of calling for impeachment. And, as a true progressive, it is unconscionable to me that Obama would even consider voting for a thought crime bill, but folks, whether you want to believe it or not, he intends to vote for it. I got that straight from the source. But the final straw for all progressives is his invocation of one of the most despicable presidents in our history. Ronald fucking Reagan. I threw up a little bit in my mouth, when I saw what he said about that man. It was enough to turn the stomach of anyone who calls themselves a democrat, let alone a progressive democrat.

I know that when people choose a candidate, they believe they've made the right choice. They aren't interested in hearing anything bad. But really, how much more can you ignore? 20 percent of republicans still back Bush, mainly because they can't force themselves to admit they made a terrible mistake in judgement by backing him.

I was protesting against Reagan, when Obama was still riding a bicycle. I KNOW the harm that man did to this country. I know how crooked his administration was. Americans WANT to still buy into the illusion of the American dream. Reagan talked real pretty, said all the things that Americans still wanted desperately to believe in. But his administration was a nightmare. Obama was right in one sense, when talking about Reagan. He changed the course of this country, alright. But it goddam sure wasn't for the better.

Please quit buying into the cult of celebrity, and take a real good look at your candidate. Then, if you find things that you can't reconcile, be mature enough to admit you made a mistake, and look elsewhere for the type of leadership you really want. I know that I could never stand for a democrat showing admiration for Ronald Reagan.

Either didn't really watch/listen to what he said or didn't comprehend it.

He did NOT say he liked Reagan's policies. But he instead talked about how Reagan was able to reach across the aisle and bring in people to get everyone to agree with him. That was one of Reagan's good qualities. That he got people to go along with him. Isn't that what we want in a President? One who works with everyone? Unlike our current resident in chief who as an us vs them philosophy.

And I would like a link to Obama saying he was going to vote for a thought crime bill.

You want a link? I suggest you do as I did and take the time and effort to call his senate office and ask them straight out what his position on S.1959 is. They will tell you the same thing they told me. Or, you can continue to keep your head buried in the sand.

the main part of my post, about how Obama wasn't praising Reagan's policies but about Obama's stand on a bill in congress.

I heard him speak too, and he was NOT praising Reagan's policies, but how he was able to implement them and get things done by working across party lines.

and tell you it was raining, then say "hey, look over there; a rainbow," all the while his cronies were bankrupting and looting this country, doing drug deals and trading arms illegally.

Do you think Obama praises how governor Reagan called the national guard on protesting college kids?

Are you going to tell me that Obama couldn't find a democrat to praise?

I'm on a mission to encourage an increase in civility around this issue, so I apologize if I only make things worse. I'm not responding to this particular post because it is an example of bad behavior. On the contrary, I want to discuss something interesting in it.

On the subject of a (D) to praise, did you have someone in mind? Obama couldn't use Bill, that would be helpful to Hillary, I'm a fan of the Kringle thing in that old movie (he worked in one store but would suggest the competition if it was in the customers best interest, which raised overall customer presence) but I do understand the tactic. So, Obama couldn't reference Bill. Carter might be a tough sell, because of the Republican swiftboating. FDR? Hasn't Edwards already grabbed FDR? Kennedy? Sure, but that would not appeal to the assumed target audience (Reagan Democrats). Not a lot to choose from, especially if one is trying to finesse some Reagan Democrats.

Yes, I know, Reagan sucked, it was a risky political move, and the reactions across the political spectrum were predictable. I'm not agreeing with it, I'm trying to find signal in the noise.

I'm on Team (D), not Team Candidate.

indulgence & hate, consumerisms, look out for yourself and fuck everyone else, in the 80's and still going on today under BushCo....Reagan NEVER worked with anyone outside of the republican right-wing, That's why the neocons love him so much...he broke unions and laughed, he threw the mentally ill out of hospitals as governor in the 60's and told everyone to feel no sympathy for the bums. People were fighting against assholes like Reagan & Nixon in the 60's & 70's....his disdain for liberals & progressives democrats are well known...

You're trying to rewrite history simply because you support a moderate like Obama?

As if Obama can work with the neocons and fascist who hate workers, the poor, environmentalism, feminism, minorities, they don't want nor care for anything having to do with any of these people, they despise us.

It's just more campaign rhetoric, cute, and good sound bites the gullible and helpless eat up...but it's bullshit...Get real!

"virtues" of Reagan. Yes, it's revisionist history, at best.

No, we don't want someone who reaches across aisles. Why would we want someone who reaches across aisles?

Backing out quietly.

It's un-fucking-believable how this entire country has been brainwashed.

only those who believe the corporate media hype of Obama and Hillary. I knew Obama was all gloss and no depth way back when everyone else was gushing over his Convention speech.

The same for Hillary, she is nothing but a neocon/corporatist in a dress with a D after her name. All one has to do is google a few of her foreign policy speeches. They read exactly like cheney's words. Of course I am sure they spring from the same AIPAC sources. Just look at her Corporate donations.....http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=5026 Does anyone think she will not reward these fascists??

There is nothing truly progressive about either of them. If either gets crowned expect more of the same shit we have suffered through to continue for at least a decade.

:argh:

Without that brain dead mother fucker we wouldn't be in this goddamn mess. Anyone who lived no survived that era knows what a dirty miserable piece of shit that bastard was.

K&R

Obama is a nice guy.
We need more than a nice guy.

I sure as HELL don't want a moderate.
Let Obama serve 8 more years in the Senate, then reapply.

We need a fighter right now. And Edwards is it.

"You're crazy!" "Obama didn't say what you think he said!"

:puke:

How bad does it have to get? Worse than this bad:

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article3193480.ece

an Orwellian 1984 world, where everyone looked, dressed and acted alike? Well, my friend, it looks as though that is where we are headed.

NEVER DID AND NEVER WILL!

He's the biggest "sham progressive" that I see.

At least I'll still have a progressive mandate, and you won't if you don't vote for it!