Ronald Reagan represents all of the worst elements of the American political experience of the last 50 years. All of them. He was, and always will be, nothing but a steaming hot pile of filthy hyena puke.

Intellectually, Reagan gave chimpy a run for his money. He was vacuous. He was shallow. He was incurious. He was a puppet and a door stop for a group of sick ideologues who really ran the country. He was a shitty actor and foolish tool.

Ideologically, he was a hater and an imperialist and far-right loony-tune. He hated the poor. He hated gays. He hated leftists. He hated communists - and he was pretty sure you were one if you disagreed with him. He hated and he hated and he hated. Just ask his own kids. He hated them and himself and his ex-wife. Ronald Reagan was a twisted unrepentant closed-minded shit-bag hate monger. And that's just for starters.

The foreign policy of Ronald Reagan did more to impoverish and kill the poor and helpless humans of the world than any world leader before or since - with the possible exception of our current chimpking. Reagan just didn't give a shit. He was going to defeat communism (which was already falling of it's own weight) and he didn't care how many children were burned alive or how many people starved to death on the way. Let em die. Reagan was a fucking asshole.

On Reagan's watch the military budget of the U.S. grew to the proportions of a heaping pile of 10,000 week-old dead and bloated Blue Whales. And it stunk just as bad. The practice of rewarding incompetent cronies with gigantic useless contracts for unneeded military hardware was elevated to art form under Reagan. Reagan's legendary megalomania, hubris and abject ignorance led him to believe the tales of any crackpot who managed to slither past the goons who comprised his inner circle. Star-wars missiles, atomic shields, space-age death rays. You name it - that dumb piece of shit would fall for it - and blow billions of your tax dollars on it.

And on the domestic front - holy shit the domestic front. Ronald Reagan was a force for the rampaging evil of anti-human destructiveness. He never met a social program he didn't scorn. He never met an American in need he didn't shit directly upon. His response to the AIDS epidemic is one of the most sickening cold-blooded expressions of pure murderous political evil in the history of the earth. Genghis Khan could only dream of such depravity and indifference to human suffering. There is so much more, but, hell, if you don't already know about this shit, then go read a fucking book or two.

Then there was Iran-Contra - the infamous orgy of unfettered criminality at the heart of the Reagan legacy. Again, look it up. Rogues, liars, crooks, murderers and ignorant heartless scum surrounded Reagan at all times. Alli Babba would've been shamed. But Ronald Reagan was shameless.

Oh, did I mention The War on Drugs and it's ballooning of the prison/criminal industrial complex and the rise of brainless goon-like authoritarianism? Or the destruction of the modern labor movement including the cowardly firing of the Air Traffic Controllers? Or the beginnings of the current trend of packing the Judiciary with corrupt freakish pseudo-fascist stoolies? Or the repugnant rapes of Lebanon and Grenada? Or the dim-witted goofball junk science that came to known as "Reaganomics?" Or grant rigging at the Department of Housing and Urban Development? Or James Watt and the whole-hearted attempt to destroy the earth and all it's inhabitants at the expense of greed mongers and corporate whores? Or the largest white collar theft in the history of planet Earth - the Savings and Loan Bailout? And on and on and on and on.

I really don't have time for this shit. So let me conclude,

Ronald Reagan will forever be remembered as one of the most idiotic, vile, worthless leaders of any any nation in any era. He presently occupies a special place in Hell beside Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. And I promise you, they all think he's an idiot too. Fuck Ronald Reagan. And then fuck him again.

Sorry didn't get it, but what the fuck. :shrug:

talk of St. Ronald McDonald Raygun like that and speak the whole truth and nothing but....but don't you just love those gowns Nancy wore? (eyes rolling as I puke)...

great googly moogly, don't even try to say that Chimpy is worse than St. Ronnie the Asshole.

There wouldn't BE a Chimpy were it not for Raygun. All the shit we're experiencing now is just the end result of what Raygun's handlers put in place.

ronnie damned near has a halo. And I hate ronnie's ass....even now!!! In my mind i dance on his grave.

bush's brain being surgically replaced during VP Bush's time in the Reagan white house :)

Which is more dangerous?

I'd have to go with the Herr Addled himself: Shrub.

Cheney?

mainly because it's the same evil bastards that ray-gun had in his admin.

But they just got MORE EVIL!!!


cheney, rummy, bolton, baker, etc. etc.

Because if Reagan was never in the White House we would have never had the mess we had today.

You find it odd that so many ex Reaganites are part of the Chimp regime? That's not a co-incidence, those people like Cheney & Rumsfeld, worked to help get Bush in position to run for office. Bush is merely the stooge to bring back the so-called glorious Reagan Years.

After Reagan left office and Bush lost his second term. The Reaganites needed a stooge in the White House to help undo the damage of the Clinton administration and finish what Reagan started. The Reaganites needed someone with instant name recognition that would help conjur up the so-called 'glory' days of the Reagan years. Only one problem - none of the 4 Reagan children were capable of that job. Maureen & Patty always were known for their spats with the family, Ron Jr always had whispers about his personal life and Michael - well he was a loop job.

So the next thing they looked at was the Bush family. Mind you, they didn't need a career politician. They just needed someone who would be happy enough for the role of president and willing to do what they told him to do. This person was really nothing more than a puppet for the old Regan administration. Probably the only Bush most capable of the position was Jeb. He was never much of a problem child and led a somewhat stable life. But the repukes knew they would need to have 2 large electorial states prime for the pickings and figured Texas would be that 2nd state. Texas Governors aren't really the ones that run the day-to-day government, that's the Lt. Governor. So Bush really couldn't do too much to screw up that state (oh but he did enough). So you have 2 Bushes in states that will pretty much guarentee you (with a bit of backoffice manipulation) about 80 electorial votes. Only one problem - Jeb didn't win his 1994 election, so the repukes had the thrill of cleaning up a draft-dodging cokehead drunk and make him a 'president'

So this is why Reagan will always be worse than Bush. If we never had Reagan, we wouldn't have the greed that would do whatever it takes to get 'Reagan' back into the White house.

but keep in mind that Reagan may not have been possible if not for Nixon. Many of these Reagan Bush cronies got their start with Tricky Dick. And Nixon tapped into the Goldwater reserves. But Reagan took Nixon's evil and multiplied it by a million. I go back and forth between he and Bush...but I think Bush may end up leaving the United States is more desperate straits than even Ronnie did. Two sides of an awful coin.

I will be 35 this year...and 21 of those 35 years include a Bush, Reagan, or Nixon presidency. What the hell did I do to deserve that? That's 60 percent of my life...somebody owes me big for the next 35 years.

You ought to go back to George Wallace. He was the first to make hatred popular. He was the first to exercise back-slapping, down-home, smiley-faced nastiness.

Maybe only us old folks remember that he was the darling of the college lecture circuit around 1966-67. That wasn't too many years after he stood in the doorway to keep a black man out of the state university. I remember a college classmate telling me he was going to hear a cool lecture with George Wallace, and I remember my jaw hitting the pavement.

He was the first to give meanness of spirit a happy face. Without him, I doubt any of this would have been possible.

The Bush Crime Family has controlled EVERY Republican administration since World War II. Richard Nixon owes his entire career to Prescott Bush, and it was Grandpa Bush who introduced Tricky Dick to his "golfing buddy" Ike Eisenhower. Ike, to his credit saw the agenda of his employers for what it was and actually tried to warn the American people, but obviously his prophetic words were ignored.

He was the first and the last of their chosen presidents who was NOT 100% on board with the agenda. Reagan might not have understood exactly what the agenda was, but he didn't oppose what he knew of it. Same with Chimpy.

Many of these vermin snuck into the political scene during the waning days of Nixon and during the ensuing years when we really didn't have a president -- just Gerry Ford stumbling around.

This is why I have a theory that Nixon was brought down from the inside by forces loyal to the fascist organization that included Prescott Bush. They went underground after the failure of the fascist plot of 1934 and stayed underground during WW2. They re-emerged with the murders of JFK, RFK, and MLK and then used Nixon's megalomania to bring him down, opening the door for a caretaker president. It's important to remember that Poppy Bush is a long-time spook and Woodward is a spook (there is no such thing as an ex-spook). This would account for why Woodward was getting the dirt on Nixon right from Langley.

Once the door was opened a crack, all the vermin rushed in -- Cheney, Rummy, and that whole fascist crowd. They've been around ever since.

What we're seeing today is merely the conclusion of Prescott Bush's fascist plot of 1934.

I think Reagan was just an amiable stooge just like Junior is now. The same faction who controlled Nixon are controlling Junior to this day.

hadn't bounce off of ray-gun's cold, hard excuse for a heart!

:applause:

Oh and p.s. Fuck Reagan!!!

but I'll listen to what ya got to say about Reagan's involvement...:hi:

Great post.

Seeing all of this Reagan love on DU.

:puke:

Excuse me while I :puke: :puke: :puke:

eek.

I saw the 1000+ posts when I read the OP, and didn't scroll down to the end of the thread or check its profile.

...a term to be contrued loosely in its case

:rofl: guess I missed it!

that was ignorant Freep bullshit if I've ever seen it. And LOLOLOLOL at economic prosperity...are you kidding me?!!?!??!! Sure, if you were rich you prospered...but does the year 1987 ring a bell? If you lived in Colorado Springs, the place damn near became a ghost town due to Reaganomics. Buildings be built and foreclosed on all over town because of the S&Ls. I daresay that happened all over the country. The S&Ls are STILL the wost financial crisis of all time in this country...and it is still part of our debt. Remember the debt? Reagan and Bush account for most of it.

Reagan did one thing that I give him credit for...though it was a mirage. The national mood did improve during his time in office. This is mostly because he controlled the press and got that morning in America crap out there. But a large number of Americans were happier under Reagan than they had been previously. The amazing this is...they shouldn't have been. Reagan saw the meteoric rise of the values voters who were happy with every socially conservative thing he said no matter what he was doing to their checkbooks. We are still seeing this today. How many complete fools voted for Bush even though he was the worst thing for them economically? I know why the rich vote for Reagan and Bush...it even makes sense...but lower, middle-class trailer park folks?!!??! No one has benefited less from the Bush Reagan presidencies then they have, and yet they continue to cast these dumb ass votes. The other thing he did that improved the national mood was play the patriot card against the Soviets. It was smart to do politically, but a disaster economically.

As for taking down communism...communism was coming down no matter what. The USSR's system couldn't sustain itself. But what Reagan did was damn near bankrupt us to do it. He almost ruined the USA with his ridiculous spending. The Soviets, who were no angels and completely complicit, spent with us until they could spend no more...completely ruining the live of hundreds of millions of people in the USSR and all their satellite countries. Russia still feels the effects of this today.

Reagan's irresponsible rhetoric probably slowed Perestroika and Glasnost down as well. Remember Iceland? Reagan was completely unprepared for the summit talks and Gorbachev made him look like a fool. If that had been Bill Clinton, the cold war would have ended three years sooner, and the lives of Americans, Soviets, and the rest of Eastern Europe, would have improved dramatically. We may also have avoided the specter of nuclear war which hung over all our heads for years.

Reagan was a disaster...lets remember him that way instead.

and I forget it all too often...as many Americans do.

Reagan did more to ruin the lives of Central Americans than any President this century. His support of the Contras was obviously criminal, but what it did to the people of Nicaragua should never be forgotten. Also, the war on drugs was a big deal for him...and nothing has enriched the drug cartels and made life miserable for the average Columbian more than the drug war. You suck Ron. I have nothing good to say about him...nothing.

Communism ended itself, Reagan just waited for the barn to fall down.

We LOVE to piss on his vile, rotting corpse! :evilgrin:

Fuck reagan! Over and over and over and over and over again! Just like he did to America.

Fuck all you Raygun lovers, he fucked up America.

Great rant:smoke:.

:smoke:

BUT WON'T HANG MY DIPLOMA... BECAUSE RAYGUN SIGNED IT.

up when our house burned down last August.

:hi:

Man, you're going to have to wait in a long line of Republicans all humping his rotting corpse.

Or when sleeping with Republicans, though they probably won't help there.

I remember someone defending Nancy against claims she had an affair with Frank Sinatra by saying Nobody but Ronnie was lame enough to sleep with HER.

You mean they aren't performing fellatio on him anymore?

I'd sort of blocked those years out, now they're all coming flooding back :(

Who was it that said, "those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it"? I think we are seeing the evidence of a mass memory lapse, and perhaps a failure to educate as well. Thanks for the refresher course ;)

See my sig.

Though, in truth, I was going to rec it already...

:)

fuck him?

(to be sung to polka music:)
i don't want him
you can have him
he's too dead for me!

:P :P }( }(

fucking actor, b grade at best.

Reagan was/is a SOB. Fact: reagan was a fascist. The way Charlie Chaplin was treated by this SOB is unforgivable.

don't you think it would be more proper to say 'fuck Reagan and the horse he rode in on?'

:spray:

:rofl:

You owe me a keyboard. I go through the most keyboards here.

bettter do it before Mike Huckabee finds out. He's gonna amended the Constamandments to cover that.

:eyes:

How many million Americans believe in this grave historical lie, do you think?

What I 'admire' the Republicans for, is that they effectively have created an alternative history for the past 20 years. George Orwell would have been proud of them. What I don't understand, is why Democrats have never been able to successfully challenge them about this.

according to the delectable Muffled Echoes by Amy Fried. He was sorta the anti-Smedley-Butler: instead of blowing the whistle on secret fascism, he built it up into a parallel White House.

He came from hell, and went right back when he was though fucking as much up as he could

That glorifying of him always made me sick. I lived through those years. I used to have a tee shirt with his face on it with his finger up his nose. The caption? "Who picked this man"

my "I ain't afraid of no actor" t-shirt with one of those red circle-cross over a cartoon of Reagan ... of course, the reality is even at 16/17 I was afraid of him.

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Disgusting. I have nothing but disdain for those who would make excuses for that murderous bag of pus.

I didn't like Reagan's policies. His talking to Gorbachev over the advice of the hawks was maybe the only thing. But it's the kind of schoolyard rhetoric full of "fuck" "bag of pus" on and on that, quite frankly, is embarrassing for political discourse in 2008. Except, of course, unless you're a mere kid of 12, in that case --- it fits!

Don't respond with your "aren't we mature" crap as you are on ignore. The OP was and is a relevant righteous rant. So I'll say it again FUCK RAYGUN THE FUCKWITTAGE DOUCHE.

Reagan was a murdering treasonous fascist narcissistic cowboy wannabe delusional loon. And you are offended.

What that man has done is NOTHING compared to the language on this thread, And those trying to nit-pick language on this thread are finest examples of hypocrisy.

here's a clue:
genocide by a President vs language of posters

We're not going to start liking Reagan. And none of us are going to care what you think about him, substantial numbers of him remember him very clearly.

I totally disliked him and his destructive policies, but I never went on a public obscenity tirade because of it. All the filth detracts from any well meant points made in this discussion.

I don't understand why objecting to vile, obscene language automatically qualifies me for "liking" Reagan or sticking up for him. Just shows the irrational thought pervasive in DU lately. It used to be somewhat civil here, now it's become downright nasty.

to the irrational system we labor under...

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Anyhoo, any folks who are uncomfortable about words should examine their own perceptions rather than blame those who express themselves as they see fit (which, last I heard, was STILL a Constitutional right).

There's no such thing as an obscene WORD...only obscene listeners...

that's why I always wear my iron long johns when visiting... :hi:

Who the fuck is this sanctimonious shit calling us names and insulting our collective intelligence? It is interesting that these gas bags seeping out of the wood work have plenty of posts and yet I can't recall ever seeing them before. They hide in obscure forums and build up a post count before coming to GD or LBN. Fuck them.

Too cowardly to admit as much. LOL. Let thhem express their phony outrage. They support something lower than anything anyone could ever post on a dscusion forum. It's hypocrisy at its finest.

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I want to be kind, but pushing buttons, lauding the "Gipper", is close to Freeperdom...or those apologists for a Democratic candidate with questionable liberal values.

:shrug: Oh and FUCK REAGAN!

:)

Can we not give him credit for ignoring the hawks within his administration and insisting on direct talks with Gorbachev?

Ummmmmm... no.

We cannot give him credit. Mostly he did not ignore the hawks. And mostly he didn't think for himself anyway, so he gets credit for nothing in my book. So he wanted to make his threats to Gorby in person. So what.

Fuck Reagan.

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:loveya: :hi: How are you doing?

Very well, thank you for asking.

And you?

:hug:

Including, by the way, (we later learned) Vice President George Bush. The post asked what I DID agree with. There wasn't much, but I DID agree with this. BTW, I didn't credit Reagan with Glasnost, Perestroika or anything else - just talking instead of isolating.

...he's the guy who surrounded himsef with hawks to begin with.

So yes, he deserves credit for being more perceptive than most of his advisors. But considering who they were, you can buy that credit for a dollar.

Well, it was probably what his horoscope told him to do that day, not any great political insight. Or maybe he just forgot what his hawkish advisers told him... 10 minutes after they told him.

Reagan was a brain dead puppet....just like George is. Reagan had a disease, George pickled his brain in alcohol for decades. Same result.

Don't you love it?

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I remember tooo well what he did for California as Governor and than he took his policies nationwide when he became president. He set the stage for bush who put reagan's policies on fast track.

66 (Unflattering) Things About Ronald Reagan
http://www.alternet.org/story/18874/

Ask the poor and the middle class how his trickle down economics worked out for them.

The trickle-down theory only works with piss.

I loved that David Corn article when it first came out in the Nation and saved it until it was worn. Now I can look at it again and again on my computer, and send it to any misguided Reagan fans I meet.

Arms for hostages.

Meeting behind Carter's back with the Iranians so that they would hold American hostages LONGER, in order to throw the election.

Reagan was a bad bad man.

:puke:

Reagan cut funding for special education and screwed up many kids' lives by doing so. I saw it happen as a public school teacher during the "wonderful" Reagan years. He hurt people and he didn't care.

And the horse you rode in on.

Reagan started it all. I was young in his era. It was the "I got mine, screw you" mentality that still permeates the voters.

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I had to come out of semi-retirement to chide you for your oh-so "mature" post. Having lived through Thespian Reagan, Governor Reagan, President Reagan, trickle-down Reagan, Reaganomics, Deregulation Reagan, Iran-Contra Reagan and "I don't recall" Reagan, there isn't enough invective in the English language to cover his insidious legacy. One thing the original poster left out of his excellent rant was Reagan's "let 'em eat cake" take on the federally funded school lunch program. When told that the lunches didn't include enough healthful foods, he pointed out with a straight face that the ketchup on hamburgers qualified as a vegetable. So much for maturity.

c'mon... don't get your shorts in a bunch. there are times for being prim and proper and there are times when you just have to let it loose. sheesh...

EDWARDS '08

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Far from immature. I approve of every line and word of that rant.

:applause:

That evil man was the beginning of the end for this country I love with a passion. You think we should play nice with him ??????? Who is immature here ?

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I wonder about THEM being the trolls. Honestly. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to so blatantly go over-the-top in describing how much you dislike something that it only makes the community here - as a whole - look bad. This thread is as vile as it gets on ANY message board. Yet, I am the one that is the "problem" and accused of "trolling". I mean, how about a little perspective?

Are we on the same page yet?

Some come here and disrupt by posting far, far, far left wing views OR be so incredibly disgusting and sick when it comes to language that it becomes fodder for rightwing radio (as they try to hold up certain DU posts as 'mainstream thought' within the Democratic Party). Turning it around, it would be like one of us going to the Freepers site and posting neo-nazi stuff and using really off-the-wall language and then Air America quoting the stuff WE POSTED as being examples of 'mainstream republican' thought. Trolling is NOT just the freeper flamers that cut and run. They can also be those that post outrageous thoughts and language to make the Democratic Party look like we are a party of foul-mouthed children who the country cannot be entrusted with. THAT'S why I get angry at over-the-top posts that COULD BE trolling for rightwing radio fodder.

Now, are we on the same page?

The reason being, you are defending a politician whose accomplishments include (amongst many other things) blocked funding to people dying blind and demented in hospitals from a brand new sexually transmitted disease leaving them to protest this unusual treatment of them and the government funds set aside specifically deal with such emergencies simply on the grounds of their sexual orientation, leaving others behind like my ex-boyfriend to drive buses around carrying messages regarding this matter to the amazingly ignorant populace, only to watch 40 or 50 of his close friends die pissing themselves in hospital beds and hallucinating weird shit, often ABOUT Reagan, leaving him, and me, by proxy, with a host of multiple loss issues and a large amount of unpleasant drugs.

This being the case, your understanding of "mainstream thought" about this man is irrelevant to me, frankly, and your perception of OTHER PEOPLE'S perception of MY perception of "mainstream thought" is far, very far from my mind in discussing this politician, almost as far as considerations of your fine sensibilities surrounding the language used to describe him.

That's what I thought.

More minnie mouse projection of his hatred on others.

to regard that vile pile of rotting rat shit with contempt and hatred. FUCK RAYGUN!!!!
FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!!

You've heard about that movie "The Bucket List"? One thing I want to do as an old man (not too far away anymore) before I die is visit Raygun's grave after a few beers, whip it out, and take a long, slow, hot and comfortable piss all over the waste of real estate that is his grave.
FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!!

I'll spend my life being 'immature' before I waste an iota of time or energy showing that fuckbag pile of dog puke anything that resembles respect or credibility.
FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!!

This entire nation should stand on the rooftops and yell "FUCK RAYGUN!!!!" every February 6th.
FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!! FUCK RAYGUN!!!!

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That was beautiful. Got a little tear in my eye.

:rofl:

:toast:

:shrug:

It's called 'flipping the ignore switch'!
Syonara, baby! :P

...whistle...

And, evidently, they still exist, right here in River City. What do they call them now? Mainstream is it?

The RDs couldn't handle the bad news, they wanted happy endings like on TV sitcoms, 'Morning in America'.

Now they want 'hope', 'change', 'transformation'.

SSDD: Same shit, different day.

We are so lost in feel-good horse shit.

I despair.

Reagan Democrats for change, hope and transformation. :puke:

They're the same ones who voted for Bush. Democrats my ass.

he died out of touch with reality. I didnt like him when he was in office, dont like him now, and never shed a tear when he went to the other side. I just hope when he comes back he has to work as a woman in the service industry making garbage wages and no union to say his sorry ass.

Oh, yeah.

makes my blood boil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP1esS0AEzk


Watch the video for yourself. I was upset and disappointed. There is NOTHING even remotely admirable to say or imply about Reagan WHATSOEVER, and nobody in our party should be spouting that kind of crud. Clinton made mistakes, most notably the 'welfare reform' which was terrible, but he also he did much good. He is a noted as a great President and a credit to our party. Don't even get me started on anyone who even sideways puts down the best era this country ever had for CHANGE by talking about the 'excesses of the 60's'. I really couldn't believe his remarks, and am very bothered by them. Sometimes I think he loses sight of what he's saying in his effort to orate positively. He is inspiring when he speaks, but he needs to pay more attention to what he says, and not let himself get carried away with his skill in optimistic speech so that he ends up making remarks like this! I've donated money to both his and Hillary's campaigns, but I'm voting for her.

I live in CA and Reagan RUINED this state. We had the best schools and educational system until he decimated it. He was a traitor to his own colleagues and friends in Hollywood with his support of blacklisting.

He was a prejudiced and self serving person. No actors for president ever! UGH

and gets no pass with me.

My bet is that if Reagan were still around, Billy Clinton would be busy globe-trotting and golfing with him at every opportunity.

Very admirable.

And I didn't give him a 'pass', but to denigrate his achievements is just wrong.

I think not. Denigrating his achievements would be to say:

Welfare "reform", NAFTA, "don't ask don't tell", and media consolidation - among others - have together made America a crueler, poorer and dumber nation. Thanks Bill.

That would be denigrating his achievements.

Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy, restored the economy and brought interest rates back down so people could buy homes again, was the 1st president to speak in favor of gay rights and at least made progress with military policy and peoples attitudes, never took his eye off terrorist threats and took effective action against it, gave us 8 war free years and built good international relations, and together with Hillary tried to get a national health care program, which the next Dem pres will be able to put through. He had a Republican congress and couldn't do as much as he wanted to.

I said that he made mistakes, and mentioned the horrible welfare 'reform', and I agree about NAFTA, but he brought this country to a much better place after Reagan and Bush 1 wrought so much damage, which was no small task.

I just don't see how it's helpful now to slam Clinton when this is our election to win, no matter who the nominee is, and I didn't appreciate Obama doing so in his remarks.

It made me ill. People say they are being distorted, but I heard what he said and that's bunk. He spoke with admiration of him, period. If he believes it, cripes, and if it's some strategy to get CA votes, it's disgusting.

I mean, what a GREAT idea, build up the image of Raygun before the general election, just like the Republicans are. Oh, and people were so TIRED of those 'excesses 'of the 60's...like civil rights I guess....and READY 4 that nostalic RAYGUN 'revolution'! Maybe they'll want another one!

Thank Obama.

I like you already. While I myself am not a Clinton supporter (I'm voting Edwards,) how the hell can ANY Democrat abide by Obama denigrating Clinton and praising Ronnie Raygun?

They are either ignorant, or they aren't democrats.

He did garner many a democrat's votes. He could not have trounced Carter so bad on Neocon votes alone. I have to agree with what many prominent liberal leaders said after his death. I disagreed with %99.9999 of all is polices but somehow I could not help but like that guy.

I would not vote for him at any time but if it were a choice between him and W I would... If not for anything more than entertainment value.

Chimpy on the other hand is a toxic waste dump of deception. A lier and an imbecile of the lowest caliber. A polarizing and clueless maggot with no sense of leadership. I could see no real reason to drive super hard for a Reagan impeachment but Chimpy needs to hang from a tree. Reagan made America feel better; Chimpy makes America feel ashamed.

him to thank for FUX News, Limpballs, Coultergeist, Tweety, Fucker, et al.

Why should we be fair to him? He was against fairness!

He also cut funding for special education programs and ruined an awful lot of kids' lives. I did not like that guy. We need to talk about the damage he did to America.

Obama showed very poor judgement by using Reagan as an example of anything good.

But to compare him to Chimpy is hitting too low. The loser we have right now is in a class of his own. Reagan was just mean spirited and made horrible choices, Chimpy is simply down right dangerous.

I have a great admiration and respect for Ted Kennedy.

But Kennedy's performance during the primary, and at the convention, was not at all helpful and, IMHO, contributed to Reagan's win.

Those "Reagan Democrats" were overwhelming older white racist males in primarily Southern states. For historical reasons, they remained registered as Democrats, voted in the primary for Democrats like Helms or Thurmand before they changed parties, and had not voted for a Democrat for President since before FDR, if ever. I grew up with these people, they hated Eleanor Roosevelt, wanted to impeach Earl Warren, railed against those pinko hippies in Chapel Hill, voted for Jesse Helms, and thought the Klan was right about some things.

BTW Obama's comments on Reagan are only the lastest of his attacks on our core values, our hard-earned gains, and our tragic losses. Obama is too old and too smart for me to give him the benefit of the doubt, to believe he doesn't know what he is doing.

I just heard someone on TV suggest that this might be a ploy by Obama to attract support in California where so many still worshiped Reagan. Even I had not been cynical enough to consider that possibility.

The whole "Reagan Democrats" meme is such utter bullshit! You hit it right on the head. I wish I could recommend this response.

:kick:

Thanks...

:kick: and R

I remember all too well what it was like under that shoe-polish-covered bag of pus.

Thanks for this post.

At least take some comfort knowing that ronnie raygun died with a full diaper.

Or even Dick Morris.

piece of shit! gave birth to the cretin chimp we have now!

And fuck his pal Maggie Thatcher, too.

I am a Native Californian and was a student at UC Berkeley when Reagan was Guv and US Forest Service when he was POTUS; Reagan declared war on two of the most shining lights of practical progressive science ever known in the USA and damaged institutions that have not recovered to this day.

Oaktown gal here, I was a Junior at Berkeley when he was "elected" POTUS. In my book that stands for Totally Useless Piece Of SHIT! :hi: I still believe Ronnie stole the election.

is because J Edgar Hoover and Co set him up against Pat Brown. They believed he could annihilate the Free Speech movement in Berkeley. The Chronicle did a HUGE 2-week Sunday suppliment in June 2002, explaining that the FBI cleaned up Reagan's dirty little record so he could be a squeaky-clean candidate. In return, the bastard promised to oppress free speech on campus. Him and his attack goon Ed Meese (whom he made Atty General of the US--worst ever B4 Gonzo) were responsible for the People's Park debacle, the Black Panther supressions in Oakland and wherever else progressive rights tried to flourish.

The writer of this article waited 17 fucking YEARS to get what he needed under the Freedom of information act. The FBI tried to stymie him at every turn. The story is unbelieveable: far most East Germany than Northern California. But I link it up to every thread, every time someone tries to tell us that Reagan wasn't so bad.

He was evil, heinous, cold-blooded and uncaring. Just because Chimpy is even worse, don't kid yourselves that Reagan had any redeeming characteristics.

Truth2Tell, Rock on! Sometimes the F bomb is the only way to articulate your anger, and your rant is pic-perfect! Tell those blue-blood puritans to close their fragile little ears if expressing the truth in blunt terms offends their sensibilites.

Here's the link to the Chronicle expose. Once you've read it, if you still have anything good to say about this evil bastard, you don't belong on DU.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/06/09/MNCF3.DTL

I fuckin' love it!

that airport will ALWAYS be "Washington National Airport" to me...And I'll continue to correct those who refer it by its incorrect name....

Reagan :puke: that asshole did so many awful things it's hard to know where to begin:

Appointed Scalia to Supreme Court, tried to appoint Bork (whose nomination was defeated)

Wasted countless millions on the Meese Commission to study the porn industry to appease the religious right lunatics....

Didn't give a damn about the poor, ignored AIDS crisis, fired the air traffic controllers, etc. etc...

Reagan was a first rate bastard - Fuck him..

http://g21.net/amdream79.html

I work for the airlines in San Francisco, and I go as far as to draw a big black line thru the name "Reagan" every time it appears on a boarding pass! So far, no one has said a word to stop me.

Here's the itinerary from hell: Depart Reagan airport, Arrive John Wayne airport, with a connection at George Bush (Houston) airport :puke: :puke: :puke:

A wingnut's wet dream of a vacation!

T2t,
You might enjoy some of my video commentaries.

http://YouTube.com/TheFrankFactor

just one small request, please?

it was good except you referred to Clinton as a 'Democrat' President....that oughta be 'Democratic' President.

I know, I know, it's nitpicky, etc....but you gotta remember, dude: saying 'Democrat' instead of 'Democratic' makes Newt Gingrich and the ghost of old Joe McCarthy very happy

I'm sure you didn't mean it, but.....can you just make that one little fix in future clips, please? It's a thought virus we can't afford to feed.

a very small nitpicky comment about an otherwise wonderful clip. Looking forward to more

I've seen them, and I highly recommend! Keep after them! No rest for these bastards.

I couldn't have said it any better.

no real ideas and concepts but he could articulate....

but I dispute that he could think...he was just as simple-minded as Bush is now.

K&R

MOTHER fuck Reagan.

Everything was a simplistic black and white fairytale B movie to this less than B moron. The only thing he was good at was posturing, trying to put an intelligent face on a vacuous, dull brain. But he did create the school of earnest looks that Hr. * subscribes to, along with awe shucks Huck.

i very confused with obama right now on so many issues. the more i learn, the less appealing he is becoming.:(

Fuck 'em!

and the gullible $&#*(@%&@s who fell for his schtick were just called $&#*(@$&(#@s.

:P

That was probably the most passionately delivered "Fuck Ronald Reagan" threads I have ever read and I fucking loved it!

I agree nuf said.

The woman who headed up that big-bucks effort, Ann Dunsmore, was last seen trying to raise money for Rudy's hopefully-ill-fated prez campaign.

These zombie-worshiping stooges' goal really is to get St. Ronnie's name on every bridge, roadway, airport, and piece of legal tender in the land.

The UCLA hospital naming is doubly enraging, inasmuch as Ronnie was such a total **turd** to the entire University of California system during his gubernatorial reign. Those were dark, dark days for higher education in California. :grr:

meme that was utterly unfounded (most welfare folks are white). He used that crap to pit his crowd, including "Reagan Democrats" against a lot of innocent people.

Our new "change guy" should remember that....

The ORIGINAL warmongering corporate man-whore.

The Kooks drinking the Obama Kool Aid are going to be cheesed now.

Don't you dare put down Barack's main man - Ronald Reagan.


"I like saw him and he spoke and everyone cheered and stuff and he's like so inspiring, you know, my gawd..."

"But, his hero is Ronald Reagan."

"But, oh my gawd, I saw him speak and stuff and everyone was like clapping..."

"He thinks Ronald Reagan was a better president than his own party's choice, Bill Clinton."

"...cheering and like people liked him....they TOTALLY liked him....and stuff...got any more of that Kool Aid stuff? My glass is like empty."


Obama-Reagan 2008

from Huffington Post went on and on about what a freaking saint Reagan is and how non-controversial he has become and how smart it was of Obama to praise him because only people on the "far left" don't love him and how caucus goers in Nevada aren't smart enough to realize what he did to unions. It was disgusting. I was shocked that Olbermann let him get away with it.

A lot of times O'Donnell gets it right, but when he gets it wrong he goes all the way. He's buying into this BS about people under 40 not remembering Reagan the same way over-40s do, so it's okay to invoke him as a uniter.

Well listen up, Messrs. O'Donnell and Obama: it's us old farts who vote the most, and we remember best. We were working and supporting ourselves during the worst economy of our lifetime (to date), and we were suffering, and so were our families and neighbors and communities. The 80s were ugly in so many ways.

Oh, and yeah...fuck Ronald Reagan.

aren't smart enough to know how anti-union Reagan was. That was downright insulting, and Keith just sat there. I would have reamed his ass for that one.

:grr:

I was listening from the kitchen while making dinner, and then the phone rang, and so on...

My dad was a Machinist business rep. Almost overnight after Reagan took office, a successful contract negotiation went from one where he won increased wages/benefits to one where he didn't have to give up too many concessions - take-aways, they were called. It disheartened him, literally, taking one of those contracts to the membership and telling them it was the best they could hope to get. He was dead in three years.

Fuck. Ronald. Reagan.

Excited when I first saw that the issue was a featured topic.

Turned to outrage when I saw O'Donnell introduced, quickly followed by screaming.

That he'd be out of it after NV?

will bother to tell anyone who isn't already aware about all the evil deeds done by Saint Ronnie of the Magical Hope and Optimism?

:eyes:

to remember what Reagan did to unions.

TV news is a scam.

hold on a minute there. Are you insulting the intelligence of Nevada's union members?" Nothing. Very disappointing.

Fuck Reagan

a valiumed out Nancy to pull off his making it through the second term, and the same will happen to McCain, how old is he? 140?!?

weird, huh.
Ah, fuck 'em.

It takes a certain kind of person to fall for it... and they're not all republicans.

Stupid.

They consider "Ronald Reagan represents all of the worst elements of the American political experience of the last 50 years. All of them. He was, and always will be, nothing but a steaming hot pile of filthy hyena puke. " to be defamation of character.

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
Would bring a smile to Katrina victim's faces. Would give hope to wounded vets.
Would bring Joy to families dealing with members who have alzheimers.

Would bring scorn to greedy and wealthy vulture capitalists who can';t stand to have their greed regulated for the common welfare of their communities.
Fuck Ronald Reagan...He was bought off because he used to be a liberal till he married into wealth, the greedy bastard.

which persists to this very day. I'm particularly concerned with the way the media began its terrible slide into more and more deregulation and consolidation of ownership into fewer and fewer hands under Ronald Reagan and his FCC. In 1983 and in ensuing editions, author Ben Bagdikian wrote on this subject in a book entitled The Media Monopoly, describing what a disaster Reagan represented to media deregulation and, particularly, how the media covers elections.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaMonopoly_Bagdikian.html