Today's outragous manipulation from General Electric Media;

Atman

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Fri Jan-18-08 09:15 AM
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Today's outragous manipulation from General Electric Media;

MSNBC is showing a poll from Nevada indicating a respectable 9 point lead by Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. Now, if you're fortunate enough to be viewing on a large screen HD television you MIGHT have noticed the tiny black type run against a nearly-black background pointing out that the poll had a MOE of plus or minus 6.6%.

6.6%! WTF? That is a ridiculous MOE, and it puts the race far closer than they want us to believe. Of course, the numbers for Edwards were...uh, oh wait, what numbers for Edwards? Has he withdrawn? No mention of him, even though some polls have been indicating a three-way tie in Nevada.

:banghead:

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southern_belle

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Fri Jan-18-08 09:17 AM
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1. yea, I saw that too!

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SammyWinstonJack

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Fri Jan-18-08 09:17 AM
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2. Let me join you in your frustration!

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MonkeyFunk

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Fri Jan-18-08 09:19 AM
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3. Nevada's a small state

and likely caucus-goers are even a smaller group.

It's not a very reliable poll, but it's not out of line with any of the others.

And this wasn't a MSNBC poll.

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Atman

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Fri Jan-18-08 09:22 AM
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4. Great rationalization, MF

And entirely expected from such an ardent Clinton supporter.

I didn't say it was an MSNBC poll; why are not showing the ones indicating a dead heat? Why didn't they list any figures for Edwards?

Rationalize all you want, this is blatant manipulation by defense contractor General Electric's media outlet.

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MonkeyFunk

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Fri Jan-18-08 09:26 AM
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5. You said it was an outrageous manipulation

by GE Media.

And yet GE didn't conduct the poll - they reported the results.

I was trying to explain why a poll in a small state would have such a large MOE. No need to be dickish about it.

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Atman

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Fri Jan-18-08 09:30 AM
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6. Try to stay focused...

Defense contractor General Electric did the manipulation, not the pollster. MSNBC could have easily NOT used such an unreliable poll, or it could have balanced it out with other polls (like the ones showing a three-way tie). But they didn't. THAT's the "outrageous manipulation." I don't expect you to see it, because Clinton could jump up and take a crap on your desk and you'd praise her for it. I just think it cherry picking the intelligence, nothing less.

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MonkeyFunk

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Fri Jan-18-08 09:36 AM
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7. you're being silly

it's a poll - it's about as reliable as one can get in Nevada.

And you're still being dickish - argue with me, not my avatar.

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Dhalgren

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Fri Jan-18-08 10:09 AM
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8. Atman is saying that the issue has nothing to do with the poll. The issue is

what GE decides to display to the public. By using this untypical poll and leaving Edwards out, GE is manipulating the information made available to the public. That is the point...

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Atman

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Fri Jan-18-08 10:13 AM
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9. Thank you. Also, I'm not responding to MF's avatar.

Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 10:13 AM by Atman

And forgive me, but I don't feel I'm being any more "dickish" than you are. My comments about your Clinton support are not based upon your avatar, they're based upon your well-documented rabid defense of any and all things Hillary Clinton, as shown on scores of DU threads. Any time someone has a crit of Clinton, you're one of the very first to jump to her defense, and you'll fight until the very last post. That's all. I don't think too many people will disagree with that.

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IDemo

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Fri Jan-18-08 10:40 AM
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10. Why are opinion polls still considered accurate or even relevant after NH?

They very obviously are not as scientific as pollsters and talking heads would like us to believe.

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Atman

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Fri Jan-18-08 10:43 AM
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11. They are as scientific and accurate as they want them to be

For cases like this, where the purpose is to send a false impression to the public, they can be way off. General Electric media could have found a more accurate poll, if they wanted to. This one just happened to paint a better picture for Clinton.

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IDemo

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Fri Jan-18-08 10:50 AM
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12. I agree that they are now looked at as another tool in the media toolbox

but I still doubt any poll can be conducted with a realistic 'margin of error' that will actually reflect election day results. Without 'sampling' a significantly larger percentage of voters than any of the polling organizations do now, they are still just guesstimates.

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