Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

On Reagan, cooperation, and the hijacking of the Republican party by neo-cons.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:12 PM
Original message
On Reagan, cooperation, and the hijacking of the Republican party by neo-cons.
     If the rethugs could find a way to revive Reagan and have
him run again, they would. 
     They love him. He's the embodiment of all that is evil in
modern rethuglican philosophy.
     He's no conservative, he's a 'Reagan conservative,' which
means big government, bloated government, massive corruption,
screwing everyone in every way possible...all in the name of
the neoconservative agenda.
     These are the real enemies...the neo-cons who first
gained influence in the sleaze of the Reagan years. Many
people may not realize it, but Reagan's evil was fueled by the
neo-conservative agenda, who wormed their way into influence
through an alliance with evangelicals, an unholy pact that
gave Reagan vast power. 
     There ARE good republicans out there, people who are as
sick of the hijacking of their party as we are of the effects
it has had.
In the end, the only way we can get rid of this slime once and
for all is to bring both sides together...the good dems (those
who aren't sucking on the diseased corporate teat) and the
good repubs (the ones who recognize the neocon infection in
their party and want to purge it) to fight it.
     Otherwise, the results will be disastrous not just for
the individual parties, but for the entire country. 
     The mistake many DUer's make is to assume that the Repubs
are the only problem...the corruption caused by the neocons
has poisoned our party as well. Not as horribly as the
republicans, but nearly. A lot of sleazy dems have realize
they can cash in, big time, by throwing their lot in with the
neo-con agenda. We can't expect to take back our country
without cutting away the disease in BOTH parties. The process
will not be easy. It will not be clean. It will be tough,
painful, and will take time. But it is necessary. As long as
the neoconservatives continue to exert influence, our country
continues on its downward spiral.
It's not hard to do, you can play two-faced and deceitful, or
you can just wear it on your sleeve and go all-out (as in the
cases of Lieberman or Zell Miller).
     I know there a lot of angry people here who cringe at the
thought of cooperating with the repubs on anything...but the
sad truth is, in the end, we will have to.
We can destroy the Republican party, scatter it to the winds,
but THAT WILL NOT GET RID OF THE NEO-CONS...they'll still have
the dems to further corrupt and influence.
     Our first step is to take the white house, and gain a
significant majority in Congress. Then we need to purge OUR
party of Neo Con influence, we need to try and imprison the
guiltiest of the guilty, and undo the damage they have done.
Then we need to have healing...of the country, of the rift
between liberal and conservative, between dem and republican.
Perhaps those will be the steps we need to take on the road
back to greatness.
     All of us, Dem and Republican, Liberal and Conservative,
all of us have been played for fools by a thoroughly corrupted
group of men and women who are totally consumed by greed.
     If we want to keep our own souls, we can't let hate
dictate our course. 
We're all in this together...the common enemy is an enemy to
all...it's a long fight we have ahead of us, but we can win,
we WILL win, because this country is worth fighting for and
preserving.
     The alternative is letting THEM win...and a victory for
the neoconservative movement is a loss for all the world.

     Incidentally, if you have not yet seen 'The Power of
Nightmares,' DO SO. It will help you understand how the
Republican party became what it is today. Reagan isn't the
only one at fault...Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld...all of these
scum are guilty.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:20 PM
Response to Original message
1. Well, I would hope that it doesn't QUITE drop like a stone..
but it looks like it's headed that way =P
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:42 PM
Response to Original message
2. Yeah, but how do you actually get rid of them?
Short of rounding them up and executing them.

Not that that doesn't have an appealing ring to it, my morals just wont let me agree to that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Imprison their leaders for their crimes (and there are plenty)...
and marginalize their cronies with a new era of progessive reform.
It won't be easy by any means, but it IS do-able.
I'd like to believe it is, at least.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:21 PM
Response to Original message
4. Kicking it again...I'll check it in awhile, maybe kick it one last time...
before letting it drift off to the boneyard.
I think I killed my own thread. :cry:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:36 PM
Response to Original message
5. of course
the west coast republican`s thought that poppy was the one world anti-christ. the neo cons forced reagan to accept poppy. they underminded his efforts in lebanon and who knows tried to have him ...reagan`s second term was run by the "boys in the basement"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. poppy is every bit as sleazy as junior, just better at hiding it.
it's the same pile of crap, it just smells a bit better.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:48 PM
Response to Original message
7. I hate to say it, but Clinton and Obama are part of this evil agenda....

they prove it by kissing up to the neocons. So, you say, they want to get the troops out of Iraq? Sure, just so they can use them in Iran, or elsewhere. I'd like one or both of these candidates to prove to me otherwise.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. I don't know enough about Obama, but I don't believe Hillary is
for peace either.
Sadly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. By the way, Elrond, have you seen this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. Yes. Tom Cruise is an asshat, what can I say?
He represents scientology well. By all means, he should put out more stuff of this nature. It'll make people realize how crazy scientology is in the first place, and perhaps prevent them from being suckered into it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:15 AM
Response to Original message
11. "Reagan isn't the only one at fault" sounds a lot like apologism to me.
Reagan was certainly in the thick of it, regarding extra-constitutional branching of government and allowing the secret government to function inside the Executive. Reagan was supposed to be in charge of the Executive. Reagan gets ZERO pass on crimes, and apologies like "isn't the only one at fault" are meaningless now that the Secret Government's Junta has returned to the White House.

See Bill Moyers "Secret Government" on Google video once a month, or perish!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Yes! And Iran/Contra: Cover Up: link
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. LINK: The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis, by Bill Moyers
The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis, by Bill Moyers
1 hr 26 min - Feb 14, 2007 - (657 ratings)
critique of the criminal subterfuge carried out by the Executive Branch of the United States Government to carry out operations which are clearly contrary to the wishes and values of
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3505348655137118430



http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=secret+government
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. And as many are prob already aware, Bill Moyers has a weekly show on PBS
Last night he had Craig Unger, author of Fall of The House of Bush, follow up to House of Bush/House of Saud.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. No wonder the corporatists all worship Reagan so much...

the setting up of secret offshore bank accounts and providing a means for corrupt officials to access them: siphoning all of this wealth to the super-rich only to allow a very small amount to trickle down to the rest of us. These people have tight control over our government and they are not going to give it up very easily.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 16th 2024, 03:20 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC