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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:21 PM
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Mexicans ruining this country
Once again I have to see it in person. It is so easy to blame Mexicans for all sorts of problems...but as with all of life there is another side. The human one.
A man just stepped out from behind the barn and asked for some water. He was small and wirey, probably in his early thirties although you might guess much older. The border patrol is swarming all over the place about 3 miles below, vehicles, even the plane is flying around...the man asked for some water and the direction to the next town. I pointed and said about 15 miles, gave him some water, a bag of burritos and an orange. Bet he hasn't eaten in a few days and all the water around here for probably 10 miles is stock ponds (yum). He had a jacket but it froze last night and the night before and will again tonight. He was limping as he headed off.

He said he was from Chihuahua City. I'm planning to be in that area just for a stupid fun trip in April. I bought cheap apples yesterday at the store. I could have given him a shower and a ride. I didn't do it. I feel like crap.

I really hate this stuff.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:24 PM
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1. Since 9/11, it seems there is more concern about the borders,
even though the hijackers weren't Mexican. :shrug:
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:20 PM
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25. Nor did they come from Mexico.
They had travel visas, and some came from CANADA! Yet you only hear about the Mexican border.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:28 PM
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33. It was an easy way for the Thugs to leverage their racist base
and call it "national security".
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:28 PM
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2. Hope he makes it and remembers your kindness to another human being.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:31 PM
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3. Unfortunately that scene has been....
repeated 12 million times. That's why we're in the mess we're in.
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:31 PM
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16. WHAT?
Id ask you to elaborate, but I dont think Id enjoy it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:41 PM
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27. Oh, 'way more tha 12 million times! Couldn't agree more!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:58 PM
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*
:rofl:

Unfortunately, I think that's gonna fly over someone's head.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:27 PM
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32. Some of them are just for us.
:hi:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:59 PM
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30. Which mess?
Please. Elaborate.
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:23 PM
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31. Really?
And what mess would that exactly be?

I am sure you're not one of the individuals who has anything against brown skin, so, you must be referring to the economic mess.

With respect to the economic mess I'd rather stick to the cause of "the mess we're in" than accuse the symptom of the cause.

Please allow me to give a few key words that should point you in the right direction as to the cause of "the mess we're in" with respect to south of the border. Greed, NAFTA, Ignorance, Exploitation, Displacement, Corporate Farm Government Subsidies.

Maybe after understanding how those few key words apply to the cause you'll have a correct understanding to what you refer to as "the mess we're in" instead of blaming the symptom.

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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:31 PM
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35. well worded
I may steal this for my stock quick-answer supply!

:thumbsup:
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:38 PM
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36. Thank you Kali
Especially since grammar is probably my weakest trait.

:hi:
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XboxWarrior Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:37 PM
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4. When I lived in Patagonia...
...Arizona, (not far from Nogales) I would often pick up border runners.....

So, I have empathy? In any case, sometimes they would even have pounds

of Mexican Rag-Weed.......which they were happy to dole out for a quick

ride. Free Enterprise? Yes Sir.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:43 PM
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5. No matter what you think about those people
Always remember that they have stomachs that get empty and children that get sick.

You can't respond to those people without addressing those issues first.
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:54 PM
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7. That's a really great sentiment to bring it home.
Hope you don't mind if I use it.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:43 PM
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8. I stole it
I can't remember where, but the original quote was: "These are people with stomachs that get empty and children who get sick. If we do not address those two issues first, we are not the great country we pretend to be.


By all means, spread the word.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:43 PM
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6. It's a really fucked up situation

when kindness is illegal. If you had given him that ride and hit one of those roadblocks you'd have been in a shitload of trouble.

Our so-called immigration policy is anti-human.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:48 PM
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9. Bravo for you. Human decency is what, if anything, will save the world.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:10 PM
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10. Anthony Bourdain nailed it...
Who's the backbone of the American restaurant business? Whose sudden departure could shut down nearly every good restaurant, nightclub, and banquet facility in every major city in the country? ..snip.. Who, pound for pound, are the best French, and Italian cooks in New York?

snip

There is no deception more hypocritical, more nauseating, more willfully self-deluding than the industry-approved image of "the chef". We all know who is doing the heavy lifting, who's making that nice risotto with white truffles and porcini mushrooms, the pan-seared hamachi with sauce vierge, the ravioli of beef cheeks with sage and sauce madere... We know, to our eternal shame, who is more likely to show up every day, dig in, do the right thing, cook conscientiously, endure without complaint: our perrenially unrecognized coworkers from Mexico, Ecuador, and points south.

snip

What is the heart of the matter? The answer to this simple question: When was the last time you saw an American dishwasher? And if you saw one, would you hire him? If you're like me, probably not.

Ex-Dishwashers make the best chefs.


From his book Nasty Bits. On his No Reservations show about Mexico he had some very strong views on immigration which I have to agree with. The current immigration debate is in a word racist. No other way around it.


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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:18 PM
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12. I wouldn't hire you either
:P

You gotta wonder, once they dismantle the working class, who is going to cook their food, mow their lawns, fix their cars, build their houses, paint their fences.

MAn I hope you are someplace warm, it's freezing up here in Montana. 2 shows up here then off to Oregon.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:48 PM
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18. We've seen who does the work behind the scenes haven't we?
It ain't Biff you look for when you need something done. It's Manuel, Consuella or Jorge.

I just got home from LA but I'm not unpacking the shorts. I'm off to Belize Sunday for fishin', sun, sand and Jerry Jeff music.

Bundle up brother! :)
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:47 PM
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24. Where in Oregon?
Portland Metro area DU'ers meet-up every month... We'd love to buy you a local Microbrew. :hi:
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:58 PM
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29. I'll tell you...
..."Who's the backbone of the American restaurant business? Whose sudden departure could shut down nearly every good restaurant, nightclub, and banquet facility in every major city in the country?"

Poor people, that's who. The lower end of the working class. In my neck of the woods, those roles were mostly filled by African-Americans and others with little access to avenues of empowerment.

"What is the heart of the matter? The answer to this simple question: When was the last time you saw an American dishwasher? And if you saw one, would you hire him? If you're like me, probably not."

I've seen plenty of American dishwashers, had them work for me when I was a chef. There are lots of Americans who will bust their humps and exercise a tremendous work ethic as long as they are treated with respect and compensated fairly. And Bourdain's answer to that makes him a bigot.

Will those jobs become scarce for Americans on the harder end of the socio-economic scale? Will they be forced to work for less and less as pools of imported cheaper labor drive the pay downward?

I can't answer those questions conclusively but the history of this nation would seem to indicate the future's not rosy in that regard.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:14 PM
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11. The US has ruined Iraq
Our illegal immigration into Iraq has ruined the whole country, worse than any other immigration, ever.

And we have people here who are against Mexicans but support the Iraqi immigration. WTF?
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:27 PM
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13. You did good
you will do better next time too

acts of gentleness, kindness, forgiveness, tolerance and love ALWAYS get you more jewels on your crown in heaven (my most favorite sermon my grandfather, a Methodist minister and a PhD in Theology, ever gave...I remember it well, even though the first time I heard it I was about 9 or 10....he eventually made it into a story he told children)

Next time...leave a cooler with bottled water, behind the barn for when you are not there :)

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:28 PM
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14. I am surprised that Osama has not directed terrorists to cross the Mexican boarder and...
blow up a BP refinery or Dow Chemical in Texas.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:31 PM
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15. Personally, I find Mexicans to be one of the LEAST ANNOYING ethnic groups on earth.
And that's all I have to say about that.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:34 PM
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26. Whuh???
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:30 PM
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34. But the rest bug the shit out of you?
:shrug: :wtf:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:36 PM
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17. Sorry, it's not safe to invite strangers into your home
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 06:38 PM by Truth Hurts A Lot
You did the right thing, but offering a ride and a shower would have been over the top. Just because he was in a desperate condition, doesn't mean he is a nice guy. And that goes for anyone, regardless of where they're from.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:13 PM
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19. You done good.
Do be careful about offering rides, though. That can get you in big trouble if you're caught.

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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:33 PM
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20. Kudos to you, Kali
for showing kindness and compassion for someone in need. z
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:53 PM
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21. Thank you. But you gotta take care of yourself, too. A ride would have upped the legal consequences
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:00 PM
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22. thank you for having the courage to
speak up for the voiceless.

:hug:

This world needs more people with vision like yours.

:yourock:

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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:06 PM
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23. Thanks for the supportive comments,
all who made them. Yesterday I was kind of "wracked with guilt" as it were. I knew I could have done better by that man and I felt horribly guilty for being too weak to do it.

I should have driven him to the town he was headed to, it would have been safe. I have done a little driving of stranded travelers before but so far haven't been caught. (I often operate on "the principle of first offense" heh heh) I'm not sure why I didn't. I know if I had been stranded in Mexico I would have been given any food available, a bed, a ride either from the rescuer or some cousin and would have been treated as a respected guest. I think knowing the contrast of how one is treated in the two cultures (not talking legalities here, just the human contact) is what is the most painful. It was cold last night.

------------------------------

I don't think most of the migrants through here are smugglers although I do find a lot of empty backpacks. Only once found a blanket that had a real distinctive aroma. :smoke:

Last fall I got my kitchen and bathroom SCRUBBED and some trees trimmed for letting a small group stay the afternoon and make a couple phone calls. (that was embarrassing - my house can get disgusting and every house I have ever been in in Mexico was spotless):blush:

I don't "live" in a world of fear, and I have never had anything bad happen. I suppose that could change at any time, but until it does I believe most people are good and that sometimes when we worry or have fear about things, they come true.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:56 PM
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28. Good work
People should blame nafta and not the poor souls trying to survive as best they can.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:43 PM
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37. but you showed compassion, and that counts.
I would have done about the same thing, whether the person was a US citizen
or not.

He was hungry and you gave him food. This is the true message of both the Buddha and Jesus.

Unfortunately, inviting strangers into one's home these days can be unsafe.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:49 PM
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38. At least you
did not turn him away or ignore him. That water and food was appreciated by him, I am sure.
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