Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Howard Dean not welcome in Florida says Orlando's Democratic Mayor Buddy Dyer .

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:08 PM
Original message
Howard Dean not welcome in Florida says Orlando's Democratic Mayor Buddy Dyer .
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 10:23 PM by madfloridian
The Mayor of Orlando, one of the largest cities in Florida says Howard Dean is not welcome in this state. Mayor Dyer...it is my state also. I welcome him here. You should be ashamed speaking like that as a public figure.

"He would not be welcome," says Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer, a Democratic former state senator



Dean received warm welcome from Mayor Hickenlooper of Denver last summer.


ORLANDO—If national Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean was contemplating spring break in sunny Florida, he might want to reconsider.

"He would not be welcome," says Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer, a Democratic former state senator. Not a very friendly stance for the head of a city known for its embrace of tourists seeking suntans and all things Disney.

But Dyer and other Democratic leaders here remain furious at the national party for punishing Florida for scheduling its presidential primary before the February 5 launch of the voting season. Party bosses, trying to avoid an early free-for-all, had decreed that only four states could go ahead of that date: Iowa and New Hampshire, by tradition, and Nevada and South Carolina, in the interest of ethnic and geographic diversity.

Hardball. When Florida, like Michigan, flouted the rule, claiming voters in large and diverse states deserved an early voice more than those in homogenous Iowa and New Hampshire, the national parties got tough. GOP honchos stripped Florida and Michigan Republicans of half their convention delegates. Democratic bosses revoked all their party's Florida and Michigan delegates. But the worst of it, says Bill Robinson, chairman of the Orange County Democrats, has been the pledge by Democratic candidates, under pressure from politicos in the four early-voting states, to boycott Florida and Michigan until after the Florida primary. No campaigning, no ads. "It has been at least as damaging as the delegate stripping," Robinson says. "I get a lot of calls from a lot of angry Democratic voters."

But the campaigns say they will honor their pledge, and the four states don't plan to release them from it. Florida's punishment may have made campaign season easier for Democrats, as they haven't had to spend money or time in a state where it's expensive to campaign. That has played well for Hillary Clinton, who has banked on her name and organization here. She's maintained sizable poll leads, and, after the South Carolina primary, she'll need a victory before February 5. "I don't doubt she'll win," says Democrat Charlie Stuart. "God's on the side of the army with the biggest battalions."


Charlie Stuart, Christian Democrat extraordinaire...says God is on Hillary's side. I don't believe I heard that. Okay, yes, I do. I hear stuff like that all the time here.

The God I know would never pick sides in a political war.

I find this appalling. It does not surprise me, but it is such an ugly thing to say. The Democratic leaders in Florida worked with the GOP since early 2006 to to move the primary to January 29 to be relevant.

Then they sent out press releases blaming Dean and the DNC and saying to withhold funds from that committee.

I have reached a point now where in my state I don't think there will be any turning back from the hatred here. They won't tell the truth. The Florida bloggers who tell me personally that Howard Dean is getting a raw deal by the state leaders and by the media...won't speak up for the truth.

The press is relentless in its depiction of Dean as being cause of it all. I find myself cut off from fellow Democrats here who won't seek the truth of what happened.

The one who enforced the rules made and voted on by the others is getting the cold shoulder. The vote for moving the primary was 115 to 1, and the Democrats even introduced the bill and sponsored it.

This was very rude of Buddy Dyer. There is no nice way to say it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:10 PM
Response to Original message
1. I support Gov. Dean
and what's happening in Florida is their own damned fault, not Dean's. It's like speeding and then bitching about the cop giving you a ticket.

If the Florida Dems are wounded, it was self-inflicted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I agree, and thanks.
It was self-inflicted. They are not courageous Democrats who will speak up and say they are the ones who caused the situation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #2
66. Florida Dems are an odd lot
Many of the state party leaders didn't exactly work to get Kerry elected in '04. In fact, I suspect many really supported Bush because of Jeb.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. You are right....many even worked to get Jeb elected.
Florida's Blue Dog Dems supported Jeb Bush as governor

It is like they have switched parties back and forth so much they are not sure who they are.

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. They certainly don't work to help African-Americans to vote
In my '04 precincts out-of-staters did all the damn work - except for some African-Americans and a few whites who worked very hard. Some were just Jeb spies - others didn't give a damn.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. It's cutting your nose to spite your face
their own damned fault or not, the question is how will Florida Democratic voters punish the party's nominee come November.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. The state leaders voted not to give us a role.
Period, bottom line. They worked with Jeb's close buddy, Marco Rubio, Speaker of the House, and they were right on board all the way. The state party was on board strongly as well according to the party spokesman.

"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006. All for the early primary that far ahead.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1564
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. There will be plenty of blame to go around if Florida goes red again
enough for the state party board, Dean, and anybody else who had a hand in this decision.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. The state deserves the blame. The state alone. They did it on purpose.
And they tried to break the financial back of the DNC by withholding funds and by lawsuits.

They are resorting to childish words and games now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. We Will Not Punish The Nominee
Florida Democrats are not going to punish the party's nominee. Florida Democrats pledge commitment to helping Florida go blue this year, to putting a Democrat in the White House.

But, our own actions betray us. Many prominent Florida Democrats are publicly urging a "boycott" - not to donate money to the DNC. I am also refusing to give money to the DNC as well state party who helped get us into this mess and the candidates who decided to add insult to injury and sign the pledge to ignore our state (except to request money). My money is going to local candidates.

Our own words betray us. The harsh rhetoric of prominent Democrats is being used against us by
Republicans and now, at least 20% of independent voters say they are less likely to vote for a Democrat in the fall because of it. Of course, who knows? Voters have short memories.

They're going to have a similar problem in Michigan, although I don't think the rhetoric has been quite so harsh there.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. You are letting people like Nelson, Thurman, Hastings, Wasserman Schultz off the hook.
That's a shame.

It was a thing that was planned and perpetrated against this chairman, no matter if the people got hurt. It was give a candidate a little boost while taking away our right to choose them.

I find it equally bad to not take sides on this issue. If you stand for nothing....well..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. How Am I Letting Them Off The Hook
I blame Thurman, etc. too.

But, let's go along with what you're saying - that this was all a diabolical scheme by the FDP and prominent Democrats in the state.

So, here's Howard Dean and he has a decision to make. He could allow the state party to get away with it by going "Aw shucks you had a Republican legislature of course there was nothing you could do. I'll reinstate all your delegates."

Of course he couldn't do that. He would be encouraging bad behavior and would forever waive the party's right to set a primary schedule. He's not about to cede that power to any one state, no matter how large or important in the electoral college. He has to act the same whether it's Florida or Michigan or Rhode Island or Wyoming.

But at the other extreme and what Dean did is say, "Florida Democrats, I'm calling your bluff. ALL of your delegates are yanked. Move your primary. I'm not screwing around here. In fact, I'm going to up the ante and encourage the candidates to sign pledges to ignore your state until the primary is moved." But if this was all a diabolical scheme, surely Dean knew this. Surely he knew that the FDP didn't give a darn about Florida Democratic voters. They were willing to sacrifice us AND SO WAS HE.

I don't know exactly what he could have done, but surely somewhere between the two scenarios was some sort of conciliatory move he could have made. If he realized the FDP would screw us all, he could have been the bigger man. He could have taken away half the delegates. He didn't have to encourage the candidates to sign the Four State Pledge. See, I'm not saying he should have let the FDP get away with it. I'm just saying he could have done more to remember the voters of Florida.

Instead, they both used us as pawns. Neither one cared about us - so, I'm mad at both of them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Uh, it was not Dean that asked for the pledges not to campaign here.
Good lord, I wrote a lot about that also. But nobody read it. It was Carol Fowler and some of the SC Dems who started it, and they were on the Rules Committee. You know...the Rules committee appointed by McAuliffe in his deal with Levin in 03.

That was not Dean's doing at all.

You are still ignoring my main issue. That the mayor of Orlando should not have said such a thing. It was tasteless.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. I Can't Make That Judgement
I can't make the judgement about what Dyer said based on just the one quote which could be taken out of context. Not by you, I've tried to find some of the framework around it (what else Dyer said, the specific question preceding it, etc) and cannot. We all know how the media loves to quote politicians out of context.

As for the Four State Pledge, it may not have been Dean's idea, but he supported it. If nothing else, he was DNC chair, he could have asked the state parties to back off, that stripping the delegates was sufficient "punishment" for our early primary. He didn't.

And yes, thank you for reminding me of the selfishness and pettiness on the part of the state chairs of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. Not only did they promote the Four State Pledge, but they refused to release candidates from it, even if Florida did come up with an alternate selection process for delegates.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. The reporter, Liz Halloran, put it in quotes.
And thank you for impugning my credibility. Nice little touch there, you said you can't trust me to tell you the truth.

:shrug:

That's uncalled for.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #23
35. I Didn't Mean To Impugn You
But, since the article just has the one quote not the question leading up to it, I'm having a hard time understanding the context.

What question was asked before Dyer's statement? Was it,
- "Do you think the people of Orlando would welcome Dean"
- "Would you welcome Howard Dean"
- "Chairman Dean is thinking of visiting Orlando-"

So, I don't know what led up to it.

Come on, madfloridian, you helped make me this way. ;) I was buying the FDP line about how this was all the Republicans moving the primary and we would get mercy from the DNC. Then I read some of your journals and realized there was more to the situation. Then I started talking to other people and realized there was even more to the story. I take things with more than one grain of salt. It wasn't meant to be a personal attack on your credibility.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #35
42. Thanks, sort of.
The question was like an idea...about spring or summer vacation and he decided to come here. Several others are covering it now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Here is the tale of the pledge not to campaign here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #14
45. I am not, loud and proud. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Not Exactly
It's like your spouse is speeding and you get the ticket.

I'm a Florida voter. I never asked my state to move the primary. After they did and Dean gave us thirty days to come up with a compromise, I e-mailed my state party and asked for a caucus in compliance with DNC Rules. They didn't listen. Now my vote doesn't count.

As for Dyer's comments, well, he's not exactly my favorite Democrat, but to be fair, the state party's outspoken cries on the subject have left many in Florida placing ALL the blame with Dean. Me, I blame them all. Sure our state party screwed up, but what Dean did is called Collective Punishment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Bull Hockey. If he did not act like the party leader he would be blamed for that.
For a mayor of a city to say that is dead wrong.

It was Florida's fault all the way. They know it. The media knows it, I have talked to them. The bloggers here know it, I have talked with them.

It is not to their benefit to make Florida look bad. They are on the side of the candidate who most likely will benefit. Most are, anyway.

It is time of shame for Florida to not only lie but carry the lie to the extreme.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #8
62. I am in Michigan, and I blame the STATE PARTY.
We spoke up AGAINST moving our primary up, the party IGNORED us.

At the Executive Committee meetings I went to, there was NOT A PERSON
IN THE ROOM, with the exception of Carl Levin's assistant, who was in
favor of violating the DNC rules to move the primary up.

Guess what, it got moved up anyway.

State Party, legislature and Congressional delegation was firmly to blame.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:54 AM
Response to Reply #1
43. And the DNC did not have the foresight to 'punish '
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 05:57 AM by cyclezealot
Florida to the extent the Republicans did . I'd say that lack of foresight. The Fla. Dems are tired of picking whomever is left after Iowa, New Hampshire; since it's all about money anyway. ( Campaign contributions.) The RNC knew following a total ban of Delegates, as did the Democrats, to the National convention would only hurt the National campaign. In a large , somewhat competitive red state; that is nuts. . Talk about lack of foresight and self inflicting a wound. Florida's electoral vote in November is the biggest gash of all. / As we all know, Republicans know how to play the game of politics with more skill than Democrats. / As McCain said, It's nice to have Florida, Michigan all to ourselves.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
taylor egv420106 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #1
50. yes it is
But unfortunately the FLA Dems seem to have taken up the mantra of the Kucinich campaigns ie "The rules are for everyone else, not us."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:19 PM
Response to Original message
4. FLORIDIAN & TOURIST DESTINATION WORKER HERE!
And Dr. Howard Dean is welcomed to Florida - in fact - I will take him on a fun trip through the place I 'work', and as for "Not My Buddy" Dyer, I will shown him the way to the toilet to go wipe his ass, cuz something stinks with what he's saying to such a wonderful man like Dean who helped usher in the Democratic party into power in '06.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:49 PM
Response to Original message
9. Don't fret, Dr. Dean ...
... you're in very good company.

Thanks to Orlando's prohibition on feeding the homeless, Jesus wouldn't be welcome there either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Thank you, Nance. I thought of that today. That prohibition.
They were going to send a man to jail for feeding the homeless. I wonder if they had second thoughts. It was around a lovely downtown lake which I knew growing up. We walked around that lake often. A man fed the homeless in the name of Jesus and they were going to jail him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. Re "second thoughts" ...
Can you imagine the headline: "Man Jailed for Feeding Homeless in the Name of Jesus Christ"?

Even the dead-headed MSM wouldn't be able to ignore a story like that!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. It was called Lake Eola. A beautiful lake downtown.
And you are right. The headlines would not go over well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #16
51. So how would Orlando
deal with some one dressed up like Jesus and feeding the homeless and another person in a devil costume feeding pigeons along side one another? I see it now, Jesus led off in hand cuffs for feeding the less fortunate and Satan remains free to feed birds. A little street theater might do them some good.
Didn't the State of Florida play a role in cursing America with the worst leader since Caligula? Give it back to the Seminoles and let them do what's necessary.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #13
32. We are still feeding the homeless
at lake eola. And there are a lot of them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #32
37. Good for you.
I remember Saturday walks around that lake when I was young. Is the library still within walking distance, or has it moved.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. (*snicker*) n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:55 PM
Response to Original message
11. howie, tell the mayor to go cheney himself
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:01 PM
Response to Original message
15. Buddy thinks he's king.
He's mostly full of shit judging from what I've heard from his corner.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:45 PM
Response to Original message
21. Dean Should Hop a Flight to Orlando
What's the mayor going to do? Turn Dean back at the gate? Refuse to sell him a ticket to Disneyworld?

Sorry, Buddy ol' boy, it's a free country (mostly) and Dr. Dean can go wherever he dang well pleases!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. I guarantee he'll be welcomed at Disney. Buddy is not well liked by those who know city politics.
I remember the chant "not my buddy" in 2004 someone told me about at one of the Kerry rallies I missed, done by the union guys.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. Okay, "Orlando Weekly," where is YOUR courage?
They are the "liberal" paper in Orlando. They actually are one of those "free" papers supported by gay dating services, topless parlors, tattoo joints and dance clubs. Politics is their excuse for existence. But they are fully in the pockets of the Florida Democratic Party, meaning, of course, the Florida Republican Party.

I would celebrate Dr. Dean coming down here and giving "Buddy" the procedure he needs. Namely getting his ass out of the hands of the Republicans and putting it back into his hands.

What could they do to Dean? Is it possible that Bush would set up an assassination squad that "Buddy" would just conveniently not provide enough protection to stop? What a childish, RUBE of a politician Dyer is. And the only time the Orlando Weekly complains about it is when someone does a bust on prostitutes or dope dealers - in other words, their main readership.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. From the Sentinel blog
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_namesblog/2008/01/buddy-dyer-regr.html

"* The ed board stuck him a couple of times when they basically asked why they should believe him. One time, someone questioned his promises about fixing crime, since it's worse now than before he took office. Another time, the board questioned whether he was truly committed -- and compassionate -- about homeless problems. (Both times Dyer said they could, of course, take his word to the bank.)

* One place Dyer impressed me was when they asked him about his regrets. He finally conceded that "secrecy was a msitake" during his early months in office. Well, hallelujah, he finally saw the light. I must've written a dozen columns slamming Dyer for secret deals and funding agreements early on -- and he argued with me every time. I give him credit for changing his stance. (And truth of the matter, while I've disagreed with him on other issues, he has cleaned up much of the secrecy stuff.)

* Oh, and while I missed the very beginning of this session, he also rattled off a list of his accomplishments, highlighted by transforming downtown from a place that, he said, used to be little more than a mix of "tattoo parlors, wig shops ... Irish bars - and not much else."

The comments are interesting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #29
34. Homeless and crime
Yeh, Buddy's doing a great job. It's illegal to feed the homeless and there were three shootings overnight, reported on the news this morning. Go Buddy! yay.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #27
33. HA! funny stuff there!! thanks for a dose of the truth in laughter.. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #27
38. That was funny about the "procedure" Buddy needs.
Thanks for the laugh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. Come Where He May Not Be Welcome?
Really, I don't know if Dyer's statement reflected his personal feelings or was merely his impression of local attitudes.

If it is the former, he has no business saying stuff like that. If it is the latter, he may have a point, but I don't understand why Dyer (or any elected official) would want to make his/her constituents sound inhospitable or childish. In this case, it isn't what is the mayor going to do, but what does he think the people are going to do? Personally, I would welcome Dean. I would want to get answers straight from him and express my frustration directly to him. Not in a mean way, but I think he needs to understand how ordinary Florida Democrats feel - not the media, not the pundits, not the powerhouses in Florida politics - regular people.

It's hard to judge Dyer since the article gives no context or framework around his quote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. You just said I was not credible, and that the reporter was not credible.
Buddy has had his share of problems, and most of stood up for him strongly. But the reporter is a good one, and she put it in quotes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #28
40. Not At All
I did not say either one of you was not credible. Let me put it to you a different way

Remember the Florida Democratic State Convention last October? I remember your posts about the pins that said things like "Screw Dean." So, I'm asking you, do you think Howard Dean would have been welcome at that convention? I'm not asking what you personally wanted, but based on the atomsphere and attitudes there, how do you think Dean would have been received had he shown up at it?

OK, maybe I shouldn't project. I remember before the covention hoping Dean would come and talk to us. Then, at the convention, I realized that had he come, it was entirely possible his reception would not have been the warmest. That's just my assessment of the climate, not my personal wish.

It may have been the same with Dyer's statement.

The article is not exploring Dyer's statement and whether or not it is appropriate, it is a commentary on the atmosphere in Florida and the challenge ahead for Democrats turning the state blue in the Presidential election. Dyer's statement, whether his personal opinion or a pulse check, demonstrates this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. He would not be welcome here....that is obvious. Something is wrong with that.
It is outrageous that a leader who is trying to build the party, got at least 12 state parties out of bankruptcy, even bailed Florida out to the tune of over 200,000....that that leader would not be welcome here.

It is arrogant and it is saying more about Florida Democrats than it does about Dean.

We have some decisions to make, as we are not able to work with the party here anymore. We have been shut out because we differed.

But then again, who really cares about anyone else anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #26
63. Apparently "ordinary Florida Democrats" are uninformed.
If your posts are anything to go by.

How about reading through MadFloridian's Journal and coming back
when you have a solid grasp of the situation in your own state.

Perhaps you can even educate some of those other "ordinary Florida democrats"
you seem to hang around-- you know, the uninformed ones.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:22 AM
Response to Original message
30. THIS Orlando resident would welcome Dr. Dean!
Buddy Dyer is a joke. Kowtowing to special interests and now this. For shame!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:24 AM
Response to Original message
31. I'm from Michigan. Dean is right.
He's welcome in The D.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:02 AM
Response to Original message
36. Unfortunately, this is a pattern. Two other Dem leaders said the same thing.
Two other party leaders in Florida said he was not welcome.

I find it embarrassing for my state to act like this.

First was Mike Suarez, former chair of the Hillsborough DEC.

Hillsborough DEC chair says Dean not welcome in Florida. Laughs at him.

Meanwhile, the primary controversy isn't keeping Howard Dean away. He's scheduled to be in Tallahassee Oct. 9 for a $100-per-person fundraiser. (Suggested amount..not required)

Hillsborough Democratic chairman Mike Suarez burst out laughing at that news Tuesday.

"I'm not too sure that he's the best person to be doing fundraising in Florida at the moment," Suarez said of Dean.


That is tasteless behavior and humiliating to our state.

But that is not all. The state Senate Leader Steve Geller was rude as well.

Geller: Dean is "welcome in certain, small enclaves of the state”

Senate Democratic Leader Steve Geller, who on Wednesday labeled Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina “terrorist, rogue states” for coercing Democratic presidential candidates not to campaign in Florida in advance of its Jan. 29 primary, on Thursday announced he will not be attending a Tallahassee fundraiser held by the head terrorist himself, Democratic chairman Howard Dean.


Steve Geller

“He’s welcome in certain, small enclaves of the state,” Geller told the Q. “If you don’t have something nice to say about someone, you shouldn’t say anything at all. Therefore I will not go.”

Dean is scheduled to attend an Oct. 9 fundraiser at the law office of Allan Katz, a Florida Democratic National Committee member who has unsuccessfully tried to persuade the state party to abandon the Jan. 29 primary and schedule a convention or caucuses after Feb. 5.


This kind of behavior makes my state look petty and vindictive. After all it was their doing totally. The vote to move the primary up was planned well in advance with the GOP...vote was 115 to l.

We have a chance to get the party built up in all 50 states. Florida has done everything it can to sabotage that. That is just unforgivable to me.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:24 AM
Response to Original message
39. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:50 AM
Response to Original message
44. Bubba Dyer and the Dems in Florida are desperate to blame Dean.
The media is looking at that boatload of money they are losing in revenues in Florida from the primaries. (I've heard a couple of whines from the local media here.)

I sent a couple of 'how's the early primary working out for you?' letters to some papers and stations with a note that Dean is not the problem, the lawless FL Dems, Thurman and Nelson are.

Haven't got any replies. Will send out some more, to Orlando, I think.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:31 AM
Response to Original message
46. Reminds Me of The 'Clinton/Military Base' Flap
Remember all those Republicans saying 'Clinton had better stay off military bases, if he knows what's good for him'? (Paraphrase, naturally.) It was very threatening in a 'nice little president you've got there, shame if anything happened to him' kind of way. Pity the Orlando mayor is sounding so much like Rush Limbaugh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:31 AM
Response to Original message
47. Great thread....
this Oviedo boy is starting to think of a little get together for my fellow DUers in the area.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:07 AM
Response to Original message
48. How are Iowa, NH, SC, and Nevada similar?
Answer: they're heavily NON-liberal.

What does that tell us about the people running the Democratic Party?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:39 AM
Response to Original message
49. Complaining about no advertising. Wow!
I need to tell my father so he can move to Florida. He lives on the Illini-Iowa border and he complains constantly about all the advertising on TV
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:58 AM
Response to Original message
52. Is there any elected Democrat in Florida you don't hate?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. You see hate in my post? I see just plain anger.
I don't like many leaders here, but hate is not the appropriate word.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. I stand corrected
Is there any elected Democrat in Florida that you aren't angry at?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. A few really care, but they don't have a voice anymore than I do.
The Florida Democrats are much like Republicans. It has been that way for years. People who disagree with leadership are pretty much put in their places.

No, I really don't like many of the Democratic leaders here. The Southern Democrats here are why Jeb got elected.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
54. Both Governors, FL & MI Got what they asked for
They tried to screw with the system. Dean told them what would happen if they tried it.

They played chicken with Dean and lost and the voters of both states pay the price.

They got what they asked for.

Having said that - The Primary system is dysfunctional and has failed Democracy - and, it costs too much. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to change it but I recgonize that it needs to be changed, asap.

Part of what needs to happen to fix this is:

- Instant Run off elections
- Public funding only of all elections
- return control of the debates to the League of Women Voters.
- Paper ballots
- ?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Good thoughts there.
:hi:

We do need primary change, but this is not the way to do it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:12 PM
Response to Original message
56. "God's on the side of the army with the biggest battalions."
"But the campaigns say they will honor their pledge, and the four states don't plan to release them from it. Florida's punishment may have made campaign season easier for Democrats, as they haven't had to spend money or time in a state where it's expensive to campaign. That has played well for Hillary Clinton, who has banked on her name and organization here. She's maintained sizable poll leads, and, after the South Carolina primary, she'll need a victory before February 5. "I don't doubt she'll win," says Democrat Charlie Stuart. "God's on the side of the army with the biggest battalions."

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/01/17/shunning-the-sunshine-state.html

With God on her side. Oh, Charlie. That sounds like the Southern Baptist coming out in you.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:03 AM
Response to Original message
59. The buttons they wore at the convention in Florida gave away the mindset.
They wanted to be relevant because they look down on all the 4 smaller states. They do not realize that you don't bring real change by insulting people of your own party. The buttons were so lacking in class that they speak for themselves.



In fact it got so bad that one state Senate leader thought about suing the first four states for being rogue states.

"The gang who can't shoot straight"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MercerForPrez Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:13 AM
Response to Original message
60. madfloridian, after parsing your posts over the years I have to ask something
Is your first name Judy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. Nope....but even if you guessed right I would not tell you.
Two things on forums, you don't ask identities, and you don't give them away.

Just call me madfloridian, because I most surely am.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #61
64. And thank GOODNESS for it!
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:19 PM by PassingFair
Your journal is invaluable. I have sent loads of Michiganders there
to get background on our OWN primary's foibles.

Don't give an INCH, Mad!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Thanks.
I won't back down on this topic. It is inexcusable for the state's Democratic leaders to insult any part of the party publicly and openly like this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 16th 2024, 03:07 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC