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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:10 PM
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Florida tax amendment may not give relief to those who need it.
This amendment will be on the primary ballot January 29 in Florida. I keep seeing ads to vote yes, and I get mailings to vote no from firefighters and other groups funded by municipalities. It claims it will double our homestead exemption, but that does not appear to be the case.

I get the feeling it is another step on the road to privatizing Florida's infrastructure and public services.

No one comes out and says it, but if you cut taxes and pass the bills on down to the municipalities who maintain the services and infrastructure....then it does sound like that is what will happen.

Florida TaxWatch's report says relief won't go to those who need it most.

The most recent and among the heaviest opposition came Friday when Florida TaxWatch, a well-establish tax watchdog, released an in-depth report on the proposed amendment that it claimed does not target relief to those who need it most, perpetuating an inequitable tax system. Already, local government officials closest to the people - city and county leaders, teachers and law enforcement officers - had ratcheted up the attacks this week by saying taxes could actually increase and that Crist is exaggerating its impact.

But the criticism of the plan is intensifying with dire warnings about loss of services caused by the $9 billion cut over the next five years.

Amendment One would increase the homestead exemption, allow residents to keep accrued Save Our Homes savings if they move, create a new exemption for business equipment and create a loose limit on future increases for nonhomestead property.

Firefighters have mailed out ads that warn of "dangerous" drops in response time. A group, Florida Is Our Home, funded by teachers and public employee unions, followed up with another flier this week warning that the "scheme" will cut school funding.


Many fear that the amendment would harm the Save Our Homes policy, which limits the rise in property taxes.

I rather expected the Democratic party in the state to come out against this amendment. There is little real discussion that is helpful to people like me who are not that informed about property tax ins and outs and who could easily be duped. It sounds good on the surface, but it could, I hear, actually put our treasured homestead exemption in jeopardy eventually.

Here is a link with details. I have read it twice, and I still do not understand it. I am voting no on it because I don't see any good way to run a state without taxes.

The file is in pdf format.

Changes to the State Constitution relating to property taxation.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:18 PM
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1. FL is one of those "no income tax" states....!
See, they get it one way or another...!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:36 PM
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4. Good point. Will probably lead to income tax.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:00 AM
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9. Which wouldn't be that bad.
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 04:09 AM by JohnLocke
Not an economist or tax expert (only a Florida citizen), but a 2 percent income tax could probably go a long way.

Great to see you again, madfloridian. :hi:
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eFriendly Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:25 PM
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2. I voted YES on Amendment #1
despite the talking points from the County Democratic Party (which coincidentally echos our Republican Mayor's talking points against the Amendment, word for word). The talking points are not substantiated very well, by either side, to convince me that this will not at least be a start to fixing the problems with property taxes in the state.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:28 PM
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3. School funding? Have you noticed the 40+% drop out rate here in Florida?
If funding would change that drop out rate to something more indicative of a working educational system I would be all for it but I rather doubt that would be the case if the schools were to receive more funding. The people who are on fixed incomes and the lower income class with homes are the ones who need the exemption. No one seemed to mind when property values went up at an over inflated 36% of the national average here in the Tampa bay area. Now what happened to all that tax? Did it help the school system? NO. With home insurance going up 400% and more in some cases combined with property taxes I am paying over $300 a month just to cover that. I need a break. Make the rich bastards pay more and quit taxing and penalizing the poor and lower income (16k yr) people. What do fire fighters make a year? What do the police make a year? What do teachers make a year? They make much more than I do so why should I care? You call the cops and they don't show up for a hour as it is now. The fire department charges for coming to put out a fire so where's the taxes going for that? Taxes are fine but they need to go for what they were intended to go for and not to the back pockets of the government thieves in control.

Remember the lottery which was suppose to fund our schools? Another example of the lies these cronies tell us. Now they want more money for schools because they took too much of it for themselves and their pet projects like the St Pete Forum and other sports auditoriums.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:05 PM
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5. i think this amendment has the potential to put our
homestead exemptions in jeopardy. as a product of a republican led legislature, it has 'privatization' written all over it. sorry, but i do not trust the republican legislature to do what is in the best interests of the little guy.

even though it will reduce my taxes, i will vote 'no'.

i believe in the services bought by our tax dollars. republicans do not. what will happen to your property when you have to pay for privatized police and fire protection right out of your wallet? do you think you can buy the same protection that the wealthy can afford? i can't.

florida republicans may vote this republican plan in, but i will not help them.

ain't it grand that the same guys that brought out this plan also pushed the 60% vote rule? i hope to see them hoisted on their own petard!

btw, you know that insurance premium cut we were supposed to get this year? my insurance WENT UP. did yours? great job these guys in tallahassee are doing.

ellen fl
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:09 PM
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6. Another dlc dem compromise for the base
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confrontationclaws Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 01:01 AM
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7. The usual repub BS
Every concerned Floridian should vote NO. I've lived in South Florida my entire 50+ years, and this state needs two things:

A limited state income tax; and true, Las Vegas casino gambling. Unfortunately no one has the cojones to suggest an income tax, and between the christo-fascist rednecks, the cruise ship lobby, and the native American lobby, real gambling isn't going to happen.

The educational system stinks, the infrastructure, like everywhere else, is in dire need of work, more people move in-state every minute, development runs rampant sans any real planning, and all we hear is "cut taxes."

This proud liberal Floridian says "raise my taxes, and gimme some casinos."

And remember, the status quo in Florida is nearly doomed to last FOREVER, since the stinking repubs a few years ago convinced everyone it would be a GOOD thing amend the constitution to require a 60% (instead of 50%) vote to amend the constitution in the future. Business folks loved that. Ironically, I believe the amendment passed 58% to 42%. Funny stuff. Idiots.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:28 AM
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8. ITEP is not very happy about it
http://www.itepnet.org/stateinfo.htm#fl

"Given the particulars of the Legislature's latest plan, a different approach would certainly be warranted. As the St. Petersburg Times observes, the Legislature's latest plan "... takes what's wrong with the current property tax system and amplifies it. The unfair advantage long-time homeowners have over more recent home buyers would be extended. The shifting of the tax burden from homesteaded property to non-homesteaded property would be exacerbated. And the cost for making matters worse would be indefensible.""

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:33 AM
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10. I, too, am voting no.
1. School taxes are the largest part of my bill. They are exempted.
2. The way they figure the exemption is not helping those that need it most.
3. Allowing people to transfer their Save Our Homes savings is nuts.
4. User fees, a form of taxation, will be raised offset the loss of revenue.

It will probably pass, but I have convinced a number of people to vote against the bill.

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