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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:35 PM
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If Obama is out after super Tuesday, do not expect him to do anything helpful for Clinton
If he drops out on Wednesday, his campaign for 2012 starts on Thursday. He stands a much better chance in '12 against a incumbent republican than an incumbent Democrat.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:36 PM
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1. Well, if you say so, it must be true.
:eyes:

MKJ
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:36 PM
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2. You think he would do better challenging an incumbent Dem?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:36 PM
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3. I don't expect him to be out after Feb. 5th's results. He is likely to rack up
a good handful of delegates and is going to be a presence in this race for some time, IMO.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:39 PM
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6. But that totally ruins the hypothetical basis upon which the declaration is based.
Psst, don't mention that Obama currently has MORE delegates than Clinton. That sets fire to the remannts of said hypothetical foundation.

:evilgrin:

MKJ
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:41 PM
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11. Obama will win, of course, Illinois and could very well win California.
I think Obama could do very well 02/05.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:04 PM
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20. I said if. If it's Clinton getting the nomination, then it holds for whenever he drops out
I don't think Clinton has another shot the White House, so hard to say what kind of support she gives Obama if he is the nominee.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:09 PM
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23. Ok, I see your point. Sorry about the foggy head. I'm coffee'd up now and
ready to go.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:36 PM
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29. I agree - Dem delagate results are more or less "proportional" - the count will go to 3/4 (Ohio) and
possibly to the convention.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:53 PM
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30. Hi, papau. It's going to be a more interesting primary jumble than
it has in past times.

And nevermind the chaos over on the other team!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:14 PM
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31. :-) I am focused on our team - and the game is certainly interesting and likely to get even better
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:28 PM
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32. You said it. Onward!
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:37 PM
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4. I don't expect Edwards to do anything
remotely helpful to anyone but Edwards.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:39 PM
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7. I don't think a third run for the White House is there for Edwards so no reason for him to drop out
depending on the money the campaign could have to change shape but no reason for him not to challenge a presumptive nominee all the way to the convention.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:51 PM
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17. it does become a financial issue
as well as an issue of what's good for his future career in politics. To earn the enmity of the Party by throwing fire bombs when the Nominee has been decided and the Party is moving into cohesion to fight the Republicans may hurt his chances at being Attorney General or any other Cabinet Position in the New Administration.

Now, if he's in the fight for delegates -- as in within striking distance in the number of total delegates and not languishing in back with a handful -- then he should stay in if he has the resources. But, realistically, I don't see that happening.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:38 PM
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5. Clinton/Obama ticket KICKS the repuke's ASS and sets the young Barack up for 2016.
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:45 PM by in_cog_ni_to
JMCPO, of course.:)

edite 2012 to 2016 because Hillary would win in 2012.:)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:39 PM
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8. Kinda snarky, but true, I believe.
Obama will make the required show of support, but I wouldn't count on him going above and beyond for Clinton.

...and yes, Clinton would have a tough time winning in the general, especially if the Repubs run McCain. Regardless, she'd be a divisive influence on the Democratic party and a unifying force for the Republicans.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:40 PM
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9. and you are certain of this? Cause I'm pretty certain you're wrong
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:40 PM by onenote
Want to alienate the party leaders? Try to tank the party's candidate. Obama is way smarter than that.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:40 PM
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10. that is what i expect of him. to look out for himself.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:41 PM
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12. That sounds bad, real bad
If we can't get democrats to support fellow dems, what does that say about our party? I would never consider voting for any democrat that would not throw their support to the nominee, and I would assume 99% of democrats would agree with me!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:41 PM
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13. Hill will be reelected in 2012. Obama had better focus on shoring up his attendance
record in the senate if he has plans for 2016.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:42 PM
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14. So he would prefer to help "100 year war McCain" get in for 4 yrs, so Obama can run in 2012?
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:42 PM by terisan
You really think his antiwar talk is a mile wide and an inch deep? Maybe so, because he has been funding it since he arrived in Senate.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:24 PM
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26. So he would prefer to help "100 year war McCain" get in for 4 yrs, so Obama can run in 2012?
Well I didnt see either Clinton out campaigning across the country to help get Kerry elected in 2004, did you?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:44 PM
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15. Obama will STRONGLY support Hillary if he loses it all.
Obama will want a Dem BIGTIME over ANY R, and he'll work like hell to make that happen if loses it all after Super Tuesday.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:48 PM
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16. delete
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:49 PM by madrchsod
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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:51 PM
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18. Obama will probably get only one shot at it ...
One realistic shot that is ...

He's making a lot of mistakes that are going to be tough to disappear ... there is no Gitmo in the primary season.

Dissing Ted Kennedy, hooking up with a homophobe, playing the race card, voting present or missing the vote ...
and 4 years from now, he will have 4 more years of senator experience and mistakes that can be torn apart.

Either he gets new advisors and tries to turn around the perception or it appears it's now or never for him.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:01 PM
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19. LOL!!
Obama is doing far more right than not. He wouldn't be where he is were that not just a plain fact. duh. And he hasn't dissed Ted Kennedy during this campaign. He certainly hasn't used race- and btw, "race card" is a wingnut southern strategy phrase and it's use is intended to disenfranchise and belittle. His missed votes are fairly standard for someone running for president.

And he clearly has another chance should he not win this year.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:29 PM
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27. If Obam does not get the nomination this year
he will try to do what he must to make sure he has solid party support when he runs again. That means:
1. he should support Hillary to the extent necessary to not lose party support as a spoiler
2. he should learn from any mistakes in this campaign, and likely not repeat them in his next one
3. he should focus on being a productive Senator whose votes and legislative proposals comport with his rhetoric.

Its just my opinion
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:05 PM
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21. Perhaps I'm missing the context of...
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 01:05 PM by Texas Explorer
"He stands a much better chance in '12 against a incumbent republican than an incumbent Democrat."

Are you inferring that if he doesn't win on Super Tuesday that the Dem noninee won't be able to defeat the puke and, so, he'll have a better chance of defeating said puke in the 2012 contest?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:07 PM
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22. I'm saying that he would rather run against a republican president in '12.

Thus there is not going to be much he is going to do to help elect Clinton in '08.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:14 PM
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24. He will help Hillary since he will be the VP candidate .
The most powerful ticket ever to run.....ever. Indeed; we will have a President Obama in 2016. President Bill Clinton will be his, "POLITICAL BIG BROTHER " and mentor him with foreign policy.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:19 PM
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25. I don't think either of them would pick one of their primary challengers for VP
you do much better injecting someone new to the race.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:36 PM
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28. Plus, I don't think they like each other very much
but I do agree that for pragmatic reasons neither would be a suitable VP choice. As candidates I don't think they would be a good fit together as a team.
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