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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:36 PM
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Study shows the effects of sending jobs overseas
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 04:37 PM by Elspeth
Found this in today's NYTimes, LTTE. The original Op-Ed is here:


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/opinion/16landsburg.html


To the Editor:

Steven E. Landsburg suggests that displaced American workers are “churlish” to criticize free trade when their manufacturing jobs (and millions others) are sent overseas. It’s his view that “what we lose through lower wages is more than offset by what we gain through lower prices.”

This is not what we found in a study released last year that looked at the impact of trade-related market distortions across 10 United States industries from steel and shrimp to furniture, cement and raspberries.

We discovered that there is, on average, a 50-to-1 economic advantage in keeping jobs in the United States through penalties on illegally subsidized or dumped imports. Any slight increase in consumer prices was more than offset by the economic activity that wages, business and profits contributed to the economy.

And so, despite Mr. Landsburg’s attitude that workers should just get over it, the correct course for the country and its workers should be to strengthen domestic manufacturing, enforce fair trade laws and, with those steps, allow more Americans to share in the benefits of the global economy.

To do otherwise is to court continuous borrowing from overseas and encourage the market-distorting practices that are now roiling world markets.

Scott Paul
Director, Alliance for American Manufacturing
Washington, Jan. 16, 2008
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:43 PM
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1. Thanks for posting this. k&r
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:45 PM
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2. You're welcome. I hope it doesn't die amongst all the primary threads.
I think this is really interesting.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:02 PM
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8. K&R.
This is the most important issue.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:10 PM
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14. Absolutely.
The globalization of profit-making at the expense of most living human beings is the biggest practical and moral issue on earth.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:24 PM
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24. Keep spreading the word.
:hi:
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:54 PM
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3. Thank you. K&R. Outsourcing and H1-b Visas are a big issue with me. n/t
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:56 PM
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4. I was really interested that some group had actually numbers on this
Thanks for the K &R.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:59 PM
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7. You are welcome. n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:38 PM
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27. Same Here.
:hi:

K&R
:kick:
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:49 PM
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28. I'm with you. n/t
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:58 PM
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5. Thanks for the sane response K & R
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:58 PM
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6. I couldn't believe what I was reading when I read that column.
That is so outrageous I don't see how Landsburg could believe it as he was writing it. Has he no shame?
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:06 PM
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10. When you are supporting a talking point or a philosophy, you believe BEFORE you gather evidence
or figure the logic. It's a pre-analysis bias that erodes the entire argument.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:50 PM
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20. Especially if you're not a member of the affected group
When I was attending grad school in the Ivy League, I ran into a discouraging number of students who had grown up affluent and had NO IDEA how ordinary people live.

I actually ran into people who were surprised that not only could I not finance a year in Japan on my own but that even my parents didn't have that kind of disposable income.

Imagine one of those types from an affluent background, going to college with other affluent people, and then having a career as an investment banker or an economic researcher at a think tank.

There's no connection with reality there.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:51 PM
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21. That's exactly the problem
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 05:52 PM by Elspeth
Kids from privileged backgrounds have no way to understand the true costs of anything not connected to their charmed lives. And they are the ones most able to afford an education at the Ivies, grad school, etc.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:18 PM
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32. He's a right-leaning, Cabal-supporting economist.
That's a rhetorical question, right?
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jdadd Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:05 PM
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9. this post needs to go someplace....
K&R
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:06 PM
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12. Thanks for the Rec
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:06 PM
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11. Thanks for the post
I am so depressed about the situation - my whole group is gone :(
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:09 PM
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13. Nafta
trade deficit.
Grrr!
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:32 PM
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15. It's a lot more than that.
It's a world wide system that makes slaves out of most of us.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:40 PM
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18. I know that
it is basically "rich people of the world unite!"
I've said it for years.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:45 PM
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19. The problem is it's being sold as "economic freedom"
"Democracy"
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:55 PM
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23. Yes.
Corporate greed scares me!
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:35 PM
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25. They've been imposing economic slavery on "3rd world" nations for years, decades.
It's very profitable.

Now, they are bringing the same to us.

There was a post, earlier, about how the multi-national corps basically took over the IMF and World Bank and created pure statistical and forecasting bullshit in order to impose aweful debt on smaller countries. I'll find and kick it up for comparison.

I suppose we should be grateful someone is out there rebutting the ideology of the corporacrats. If only they were in power rather than the profiteering gluttons.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:33 PM
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16. big, churlish, k n r
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 05:33 PM by nashville_brook
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:36 PM
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17. K&R n/t
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hankthecrank Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:53 PM
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22. K&R n/t
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:40 PM
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26. The American worker has had a war raged against it
its horrific

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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:28 PM
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29. We're more and more limited in what we can do
:kick:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:10 PM
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30. excellent. 50 to 1 sounds about right to me! I am tired of cheap crap. I would
really prefer health care and homes for everyone.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:49 PM
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31. kick
:kick:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:36 PM
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33. Well, ezcuuuuse me, Mr. Landsburg! For being uncivil or ungraciousness about losing jobs !!
:nuke:

"Steven E. Landsburg suggests that displaced American workers are “churlish” to criticize free trade"

And there's been a concerted effort to shut up the displaced workers! :grr:

We will NOT be silenced, Mr. Landsburg!!


Thanks for posting this!

:kick: & Recommended

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:46 PM
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34. 50 years ago we use to make everything here and we could
get by and were better off with one income families. We could see doctors and dentists without going broke. People could save for retirement and even put kids through college without borrowing.

Then along came the free traders.
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