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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:14 PM
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The conditions under which the NYSE will suspend or shut down trading
Numbers are valid for first quarter 2008
http://www.nyse.com/press/circuit_breakers.html

In the event of a 1350-POINT decline in the DJIA (10 percent):
Before 2 p.m. 1-HOUR HALT
2-2:30 p.m. 30-MIN. HALT
After 2:30 p.m. NO HALT

In the event of a 2700-POINT decline in the DJIA (20 percent):
Before 1 p.m. 2-HOUR HALT
1-2 p.m. 1-HOUR HALT
After 2 p.m. MARKET CLOSES

In the event of a 4000-POINT decline in the DJIA (30 percent), regardless of the time, MARKET CLOSES for the day.

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:15 PM
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1. Thank you.
This information may come in handy tomorrow.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:16 PM
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2. Tomorrow really has the potential to be interesting, doesn't it?
I think we'd all better fasten our seat belts for the ride.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:33 AM
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18. Is there a seat belt strong enough???
Someone suggested superglueing oneself to the floorboards!
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 PM
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3. I'm predicting a bloody mess this week.
Not just tuesday.

Think about it this way. 1st hour, drops 1350, halts for a hour, drops again for 1350, halts for 2 hours, then drops another 2700, etc. etc. etc.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:20 PM
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4. What happened in 1929 to the NY stock market?
<snip>
The Wall Street Crash of 1929, also known as the Crash of ’29, was - taking into consideration the full scope and longevity of its fallout - the most devastating stock market crash in American history.

Three catchphrases, “Black Thursday”, Black Monday, and “Black Tuesday,” evoke this collapse of stock values. All three are authentic, for the crash was no one-day affair.

The initial crash occurred on Black Thursday (October 24, 1929), but it was the catastrophic downturn of Black Monday and Tuesday (October 29, 1929) that precipitated widespread panic and the onset of unprecedented and long-lasting consequences for the United States.

The collapse continued for a month. Economists and historians disagree as to what role the crash played in subsequent economic, social, and political events. Some consider it to be the beginning of the Great Depression, but most believe it was just one symptom.

<MORE>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:20 PM
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5. What time do the markets open? Thanks. nt
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:55 PM
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15. 9:30
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:00 AM
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17. Thanks. nt
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:21 PM
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6. You mean we aren't FREE to TRADE whenever, wherever, and under any conditions
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 PM by izzybeans
we want. I thought the market corrects itself. Guess not. ;)


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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 PM
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7. Shut down trading?
I thought the New York Stock Exchange was the last bastion of pure capitalism, the embodiment of the free market. How does that work? Stop trading? Just because a couple of the big boys are taking a little bath? They can afford it. Or is losing money just for the little guys? It's like the casino closing down a table just because they're getting whomped?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:45 PM
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12. one more thing to thank st ronnie for.
put in after the 1987 "downturn"
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:28 PM
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8. and tomorrow is a full moon...... nt
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:29 PM
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9. K&R n/t
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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:42 PM
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10. I don't think the market will tank...
Middle America will continue to ride waves, while the people in the "know" will pull their money out.

Same stuff as usual.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:08 AM
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16. Heh - well the markets in Europe and Asia just fell...
3 to 5 to 7 percent - huge margins - strictly on anticipation of what will happen on Wall Street tomorrow.

Maybe it's not the same day as usual, eh?
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:44 PM
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11. Europe and Asia seem to have flattened some after falling, over 2 days,
in the 5% to 10% range. Interesting to see if US ends up being the follower here, instead of leader as it traditionally has been--that would mean falling around 7% (about 800 points for the DOW) and then flattening out somewhat.

I agree the US economy no longer has the appeal it once had as a 'world leader'. Still, with the dollar cheap, low stock prices represent a chance for China, SA, etc., who are holding tons of US dollars, a chance to buy up US assets at doubly cheap prices (low stock prices in cheap US dollars). So my guess is no massive fall in US prices. Yet. As long as we're guessing.

However, if banks keep turning up more losses and need to cover by liquidating falling equity positions . . . this could continue unwinding for years. Like Japan has?
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:52 PM
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13. Why the hell don't they just shut it down for good, and let us run a real economy
instead of a giant Ponzi scheme with brokers yelling at each other and people clapping at the closing bell even on days when the market fell in value.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:53 PM
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14. not to get in over my head in this discussion, but
things ain't what they used to be. the '29 crash was disastrous because ordinary people invested borrowed money that they couldn't afford to lose. so much money these days is in 401k's, iow, long term. a lot of that money is now hedged with options. (they will have a hell of a day tomorrow. volume has been crazy for quite a while.) so much is computerized trading now, that the puke point kinda doesn't matter. there will be plenty of people out there buying. unlike '29.
not to say there wont be any blood. it looks like there will. not likely to be the proverbial straw, tho the bale seem to be pretty tall.
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Pierogi_Pincher Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:19 AM
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19. I'm far from being an analyst,
and I prolly know not from which I speak, but I said exactly that tonite. Like watch some buying up going down. Who knows. Our 401k is being affected. Bummer.
P_P
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:54 AM
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20. the other condition that will trigger a shut down is when Bernanke does this:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:57 AM
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21. Gotta wonder how many 401k's are propping up this charade
While the big boys pull THEIR money out.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:47 AM
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23. meh.
a lot of the big boys will be out there buying right after the flames die down. and the 401k's are big boys. fidelity? got more money than they can park.
i know a lot of people are gonna get hurt, but this is long, long over due.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:53 AM
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22. morning kick
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