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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:52 AM
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Market Futures are selling off again back down over 550 points, eom.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 08:59 AM by EV_Ares
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:54 AM
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1. It may suprise you to learn the market doesn't open for another 8 minutes
So it really hasn't dropped a dime yet, and it certainly hasn't fallen more than earlier reported.
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:55 AM
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2. The OP is talking about futures... n/t
n/t
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:55 AM
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OP must've been trading sheep.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:57 AM
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7. Watch the market and see it is selling off over 500 points down in futures as other posts have shown
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 08:57 AM by EV_Ares
Don't follow it much do you?
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:55 AM
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Last I saw...
...futures were down 378 points, so that's probably close to where the market will open.

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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:58 AM
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8. back down over 550 again now, eom.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:05 AM
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15. "Only" down 472 now.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:07 AM
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16. Not set for a very good day is it? eom.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:11 AM
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17. down 452. At least its moving in right direction.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:55 AM
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4. futures?
I can only assume that is what they meant.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:56 AM
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5. If you knew the market the futures, eom.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:56 AM
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6. The New York Stock Exchange opens at 9:30 n/t
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:01 AM
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12. Turn on CNBC if you don't understand futures, eom.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:55 AM
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3. european markets
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:00 AM by sad_one
are giving up gains too.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:59 AM
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9. I think that this rate cut is a bad thing, especially with a Fed meeting next week.
Having a Fed meeting, with a guaranteed rate cut coming up next week, the emergency rate cut today is a bad move. It gives the impression of no confidence in the market, further panicking people and possibly increasing the damage.

And frankly if they cut rates today and next week, we're going to see some serious inflation taking off, thus putting a serious dampener on consumer purchases.

This was exactly the wrong move at the wrong time, and I think that it will only exacerbate the problem, not fix it.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:00 AM
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10. Not much ammunition left is there, eom.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:02 AM
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13. I think when the futures got to -650
last night it scared them. If this doesn't work, we'll see if that PPT can do anything or not.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 AM
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14. There really is not a lot you can do now and look at the earnings coming out
for Bank of America and Wachoiva, that won't help as well.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:12 AM
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18. We're doing a slow motion fall into a massive trap.
And sadly this administration is making all the wrong moves. An $800 tax rebate per person isn't going to stimulate anything since the vast majority of people will use that money to pay off their debt(and not much at that). Thus little consumer stimulus there. But it will add another $150 billion to the US debt, making it even harder for us to recover or even maneuver.

Bernanke is on this rate cutting kick, thinking that he can cut his way out of this mess like the Japanese did, but the fact of the matter is that the Japanese economy was on a lot sounder footing than the US is when they started their cuts, especially in terms of inflation. The cuts last year have indeed helped boost the inflation rate we're experiencing now, and further cuts will only lead to more.

Besides, with people already maxxed out in terms of debt, do they honestly think that we'll take on anymore even with super low interest rates? No, for most people this is a time of recovery and consolidation, getting back on their feet and trying not to slide down any further. Those big screen TV's and Hummers are going to have to wait for a while, a long while.

But sadly, this administration, this government isn't really geared towards benefiting the ordinary person, but is instead geared towards the corporate well being. Yet they haven't learned an important lesson, if the ordinary person can't make enough money to buy your product, then you too are screwed.

Our economy has become increasingly volatile over the past twenty years, as we've devolved from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. Without a sound manufacturing base, we lack a critical part of any sound economic foundation. Thus we are open to being blown and buffeted by any economic wind that comes along. Look like this one's going to be a tornado. Batten down and prepare as best you can.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:45 AM
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19. You are right about that and agree the tax rebate per person is actually a further
stupid move which will not help anything. Another huge worry, have you been following about the possible default of some big bond insurers? They may not be able to come up with the financial capital to cover the potential losses they are facing. They are looking at Ambac Financial Group and MBIA's insurance business. ACA Financial Guaranty Corp is already asking for more time to scramble to unwind more than $60 billion of insurance contracts it sold to financial firms it can't fully pay off.

That is rather scary. What are they going to do to head that off? Cramer says they should use the $150 billion they are talking about in the tax breaks and instead the government buy these firms and pay 50 cents on the dollar instead of the people getting 0 cents on the dollar if they default.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:01 AM
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11. Makes our Dem infighting seem trivial now.
Not good.
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