I am a member of the Constitution Wing of the Democratic Party

The part of the party that believes in Congressional oversight, Rule of Law, Geneva Conventions, treaties negotiated by Congress, separation of the 3 branches of government, legitimate elections with paper trails, and a non-politicized Justice Department.

I don't want impeachment because of the personalities, I want impeachment because the ACTIONS of some people warrant it.

I am not anti- Bush, I am pro- Constitution.

Get it?

Now, aside from Dennis Kucinich, who else among our Representatives could be considered to be a part of the Constitution wing?

Did you ever believe that you would one day live in a time where Democrats who support the Constitution could be described as a splinter group?

But we cannot give up the fight. We need to mount candidates in primaries against those who have clearly shown they have the same contempt for the Constitution as the current Executive Branch. We should describe ourselves as Constitutional Democrats.

I formally announce the Constitution Wing as a subset of the Democratic Party. We need to take our party back.

kicking and recommending

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Support Hillary or leave!

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Good one.

This will come back to bite many Democratic candidates, as they are trying to pander to get the Hispanic vote. Kucinich made some statements that seem to say it's ok with him to allow the illegal system to go on, instead of enforcement. Or did I hear wrong? The point being where we want the Repukes to obey the laws and pay the price for violating them, but we'll look the other way on this illegal immigration fiasco that is costing so many communities much distress. The Democratic candidates are avoiding the issue for now, but won't be able when they have to debate the Repuke candidate during the summer.

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The issue of immigration can easily be neutralized by addressing it in context. Entering the country illegally needs to treated as a simple misdemeanor. Liberals and progressives need to set the agenda on this these terms.

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You've got to be f***ing kidding. I don't make enough to afford these luxuries and I don't believe you do either. Get over it. You're nothing but a "Lou Dobbs" lover if you want this to be the main issue to debate against the Repukes.

Republicans trot it out every time they're trying to hide one of their failures. They like to talk about it because it pushes the typical xenophobic and racist buttons that energize many Republican voters, but the Republican Party has no plans of ever doing anything substantive about it because the money interests that run the Republican Party profit mightily off of that same, cheap labor, and it is they who control the Republican Party and not the poor schmucks who vote against their own self-interest time and time again.

It's a non-issue. Ignore it.

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-Laelth

Great OP! Thank you.

Maybe Edwards, though it seems unlikely that he will move to prosecute the Bushies for their many crimes.

And, no, I never imagined that we Constitutionalists would not only be a splinter group within the Democratic Party, not only a TINY splinter group within the Party, but that the rest ofthe Party would actually try to silence and degrade us.

In many ways, and I am loathe to say this because whatever else is wrong with them, the Democratic Party is our ONLY hope to stop Bushie Authoritarianism without (REDACTED), we are scarcely member of the Democratic Party at all.

Oh, they want our votes and our money, but that is all.

Everyone I vote for will be voted for because I believe they will attend to the big issues created in the past seven years. After the repairs are made, then we can talk foreign policy and domestic policy reform.

If we approach the situation on those terms and understand repair of our nation's damage Constitution and democracy will take awhile, than it is completely okay to support two guys in this election.

Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.

After four years, we can ditch Paul if we do not like where he is going domestically.

will agree with your observations.

Too bad we keep getting clobbered.

I suggest taking on Pelosi herself, by drafting a Constitution Wing candidate in the primary.

Perhaps that will force her to rethink being the firewall for these torturers and criminals.

It may well be the ONLY way to reunite our once-great nation.

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No f-ing way Nancy could defend herself against a Constitutional platform. There must be dozens of competent, honest, non-corporate people in her district that could clean her clock on this and other issues (though, by far, this is probably the most important).

On the other hand, assuming she holds onto her seat, what are the odds she'll remain Speaker with a true Democratic majority? Not only will there be fewer Republics, but the DINO and DLC numbers will be (please God) seriously diluted.

Hmmm. Seems Dodd is sometimes among their numbers. Not sure about Conyers. Wexler is a possibility.

:shrug:

Slim pickens.

-Hoot

And devil take the hindmost.

she's still talking about getting along with the rethugs to move on, instead of being concerned about what she's not doing. :grr:

the actions of some people DEMAND it! . . . under the Constitition . . .

that we frame the Constitutional "Wing" as "mainstream" every possible chance, and take every opportunity to marginalize the unconstitutional abomination which has risen up among us.

Visualize the "doublespeak wing" achieving their rightful place of ignominy and obscurity.

"wing, wing-nut" slur in that label.

:patriot:

I just got home from the salt mines.

Thanks so much for your responses and recommendations.

Wouldn't it be great if we could make this a larger theme in these elections?

Sadly, it is easier to pick more Congressional non-members than members of this wing right this moment.

But, I do believe that true momentum moves from the bottom up.

Let's beat this drum!

I ask myself and my wife that question every single day. Did I, or could I ever have believed that democrats who believe in upholding the constitution would be a splinter group? Hell, splinter just about nails it. Less than a handfull of ALL congress critters are trying to live up to their oaths of office. I wouldn't trade a warm bucket of spit for the rest of them.

Are the disillusioned and disaffected, like you and me, a splinter group? A.
Or is it possible that we are in fact the majority, but a non-represented majority? B.

I really think the answer is B

They call Democrats wimps, spineless, and weak. They call us flip-floppers. Time after time, elected Democrats prove them right. It's time to stand for something. If we won't show the American people that we will fight for our values and for the Constitution of the United States, then how can we expect Americans to trust us to fight terrorists (or worse)?

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-Laelth

Constitutional Democrat here. Threads like this at DU make me feel less lonely. Fortunately, I know enough good folks in my neighborhood whose priorities are similar that I feel good about 'real life' too (non-virtual life? ftf contact? whatever). But it still gets rough when one checks the national scene, the msm,'leaders' like Pelosi & Reid, etc.


NGU!

G'night y'all,
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-app