AP: Economic "stimulus package" details emerge

But it could be worse.

They really expect that $300 will make an impact on anything? I was skeptical that the original $800/1600 would do very much, but this almost seems like an insult. It's almost like saying "I know you're starving and in desperate need of food - here's a slice of bread. Sorry we couldn't get you that full meal like we teased you with"

that is so spectacular according to Hannity...

I remember hearing on some talk-show a few days ago, some electronics retail guy was saying he anticipated people walking in with the $800/1600 fresh in their wallets, and buying plasma TVs, iPods, stereos, videogame systems, etc.

While the original amount might have given a slight boost, I really don't see what this $300 is going to do. Maybe after I pay a few bills with that, I can treat myself to a Happy Meal at McDonalds?

can we fucking enforce some subpoena's already ? ..or are they working on the next excuse ?

didn't they do just that before right?

This won't do jack for the economy. It's all smoke and mirrors.

I never get a refund. Every year, I have to pay.

Here's a few hundred bucks for you, that you didn't even ask for!

Oh, by the way - you're going to have to pay it back later on!

How many people are going to have the discipline to send the check back? How many people are going to be in for a rude awakening when they do their taxes for next year?

Would they then perhaps receive nothing at tax time instead of an Income Credit? Or maybe they would owe?

If you're receiving a paycheck, then you're paying federal taxes in the form on withholdings from your paycheck. If your tax liability is zero on your tax return, then you get back all of those withholdings in the form of a refund at the end of the year. My guess would be that you would just reduce your refund by $300 on your tax return when you file it--there would probably be a line item on the 2008 tax return to allow us to do so.

Get real. This won't do squat. That horse has left the barn.

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I'm getting real tired of that.

and you can pay all of their bills and find a way to send them to college. Also you can then go 4 years without a uninterrupted night due to someone being up in the middle of the night and not getting even eight hours of sleep.

Or the fact that I thank God if I get one hour out of my 24 hour day to do something I want to do for myself.

Sound like a good trade? LOL.

Anyways remember.. sometimes children aren't a 'choice'. We got lucky with the twins.. no fertility medicine or family history it just happened and our youngest came along during breast feeding and birth control.

I guess I'm just tired of people without children whining. If your single you have more free time then you can possibly imagine and maybe money. If your married and both work your cash flow is probably fantastic, the classic DINK.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each situation... well and then there is the whole dying alone part, your very existence remembered by no-one thats going to suck for you. ;)

I kept getting more sarcastic as I was writing. All people get checks, just not the children. OMG, if not people, then what are they? Oh forget it, I'm doing it again. LOL ... glad you kept it cooler than I would've.

anything. As I said below, I'm really getting tired of paying for everybody else.

would have gotten the next year.

:shrug:

"our youngest came along during breast feeding and birth control."

Yea there is nothing as fun as having a 7mo who still wont sleep through the night *and* finding out your pregnant.

It gets better as my wife gets hyperemesis during the first trimester and has to take some pretty strong meds to keep food down (Zofran as I recall). On the bright side it was career training if I ever wanted to be an LPN...

the earth is not immortal.

btw- how do you comfort yourself, knowing the kind of world your children & grandchildren will inherit? if my wife and i had kids, the idea of my offspring suffering through a world gone mad from a combination of global warming and peak oil would definitely keep me up at night.

When you're getting SS it is, after all linked to an increasing population. Every Dollar you pay in now goes to someone collecting it..

BTW I do not have kids. My sister does.

...you DO realize that right?

or their mortgage, or student loans. And the net effect in stimulating the economy will be zero.

But it's a nice way for republicans to try to buy some more votes, anyway.

regional water and power systems? I've got nothing against stimulating the economy. But this notion of stimulating retail sales which will further stimulate the imbalance of trade just proves how old fashioned I am.

Remember the heady days when the foresight of the government set up the US to become the most productive (and hence the richest) nation in the world?

Huh? Oh. . . that was all the consequence of the free-market and the destruction of our European competitors? Really? Are we sure of that?

No Im a child of the 70s/80s :(

or pay off the phone bill that's in arrears, but it won't do anything else.

It certainly won't send them to the malls on a spree.

It's too little, too late, and the wrong idea. What folks need are jobs that pay a living wage, not handouts once every 6 years or so.

I'm really getting sick of paying for everybody else.

So you are doing fucking fantastic unless you live in NYC or California.

a $31K pension payment. While some couple making $40K with 2 or 3 kids pays what?

Still greater than 40. Which is probably really 30.

So you are still almost double the average.

Stop complaining.

income in taxes and those making a quarter less, pay only about 7% in income taxes. As someone, who has worked since age 16, I'm tired of paying more than my fair share.

They are still there.

What was the line from Cheers?
"Its a dog eat dog world and I am wearing Milkbone underwear."

It really isn't enough to really spend, it only means someone will be paid a little quicker.

If it goes to the rich it will go to savings --to the bank.
If your are always broke like me, it will pay part of a credit card bill, so it goes--to the bank.

Damn wished I owned a bank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I might have to steal that for mine!

"But individuals who earn more than $75,000"

Just over this.. Of course Im providing by myself for a family of four...

MIGHT CAUSE OIL PRICES TO RISE AND HURT THE ECONOMY. :wow:


georgie is a GD genius! FUCKING BRILLIANT! :eyes:

So oil prices rise causing fuel prices to rise causing everything related to RISE :argh:


This morans are like a dog with a bone regarding these stupid tax cuts and tax rebates, thinking it help stimulate the economy.

$300. isn't really good for much else. Might pay the light bill for a couple of months but sure as hell wouldn't even come close to filling up my fuel oil tank...