Caught with a Bag of Weed? It Could Cost You More Than You Think

Oh Noes, Nixon was More LIBERAL then Bill Clinton:rofl:

Of course I know that didn't last very long, but I do remember the early 70's cops would some times look the other way, take your stash, or empty it out.

Those WERE the GOOD OL' DAYS:hippie:

and then decided to ignore its findings.

In Ohio, you can get busted with 100g of pot and it is a civil citation. No suspension of a license unless it is for another drug or the pot conviction is more than 100 grams.

http://www.ohiopatient.net/legal/ohiopotlaw.htm

"For all drug convictions, the offender's driver's license is also suspended for a period of 6 months - 5 years. This does not apply to minor misdemeanor violations for marijuana possess."

Now paraphanalia is another matter. That's where they get you in Ohio.

Sounds as though Ohio's laws are a LOT better than here in Texas, unfortunately.

Just the opening post was wrong on the facts.

...and I am from Texas, so I know ALL about their fascist attitude towards this species of plant. When I moved to Ohio, I was gladdened by the progressivity of their pot laws, but dismayed by the price and the shady characters whom you get it from.

:evilgrin: Or so it seems that way. :silly:

it is defined as under 2 ounces. Kinda sucks if you ask me.

There is one State Representative Elliott Naishtat who is trying to get legislation passed for Medical Marijuana. I got to meet him once, very nice man.

is a fine only minor misdemenor, the fine is bigger than the civil citation but it is still minor.

Got a traffic ticket for the weed, but spent a few days in jail and a $700 fine just for HAVING THE BAGGIE THE WEED CAME IN.

you could get 2 - life for a joint. I believe there is still a guy in prison in Texas that got life for a joint and never had his sentence commuted.

Timothy Leary got busted March 11, 1966, in Texas for a joint and got a THIRTY year sentence. If I'm not mistaken he fought it all the way to the USSC.

Unfortunately, now just a small amount can cost you dearly.:cry:

A lot better then, now not so much.

The drug warriors has made it a lot worse then when I was a teenager.

Of course, it may be true that if one looked cleancut, only wanted to toke up undisturbed at home, and didn't say anything too contrary to prevailing political opinion, the chances of getting caught and imprisoned were diminished

But the police regularly used the "drug war" as a pretext for attacking political activists: it wasn't at all uncommon for narcs to claim they have busted a community organizer for a joint, and the common result in such cases was a long prison sentence

Mexican marijuana may have been cheap and easily available in 1970, but in the next few years the Feds started spraying the Mexican fields with paraquat and similar toxic materials. By the end of the decade the price had probably increased by a factor of ten

Two very different men commit two very different crimes. When both violate probation, there are very different results: The robber gets life; the killer remains free.
Sunday, April 23, 2006
By BROOKS EGERTON / The Dallas Morning News

.. the poor man .. took part in a $2 stickup in which no one got hurt. He pleaded guilty .. and was put on 10 years of probation.

He broke the rules once, by smoking marijuana. A Dallas judge ... replaced the original sentence with a life term in prison ...

Now the flip side of the coin, also from Judge Keith Dean's court: A well-connected man pleaded guilty to murder – for shooting an unarmed prostitute in the back – and also got 10 years of probation.

The killer proceeded to break the rules by .. smoking crack cocaine. He repeatedly failed drug tests. He was arrested for cocaine possession in Waco while driving a congressman's car, but prosecutors there didn't press charges.

Judge Dean has let this man stay free ...

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/042306dnmettwomen.2e5ca5a.html


Judge asks for man to be freed
But his letters to board don't explain life term for probation violation
Wednesday, December 20, 2006
By BROOKS EGERTON / The Dallas Morning News

Dallas Judge Keith Dean has asked the Texas parole board to free a man he sentenced to life in prison after one minor probation violation, ending months of inaction in a case that has captured national attention ...

Judge Dean, a .. Republican, lost his re-election bid last month ...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/122106dnmetjudge.2bfbc374.html


Update: Man Jailed for Joint Set Free
Following '20/20' Report, 'New Life' for Tyrone Brown
By JIM AVILA, JOAN MARTELLI and CONNIE CLARKE
March 26, 2007

It's official: Tyrone Brown, the man sentenced to life in prison for violating probation with a single marijuana cigarette, is a free man ...

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2954055&page=1

...there must first be a victim.

That's why pot laws don't make sense...except in cases where some stoned fool goes out and commits an actual crime (doing harm to another person or their property, endangering the public safety, etc...).

IMHO, Drug laws should be just like alcohol laws: if you are an adult of legal age, you should be able to purchase/consume (whatever) in moderation and as long as you behave yourself and don't do anything stupid or violent, you're kewl.:)

But that makes entirely too much common sense. We can't have that!!

people of color, activists and similar "troublemakers," those with unpopular views ...

...and a pot-smoker, too.

Can you say "no-fly list?"

Just wait until we get our nifty new REAL ID cards...then things will get really interesting for activists, pot smokers, tobacco users, political insurgents, Ron Paul supporters, and general ne'er do wells everywhere. (damn, am I cynical enough today?)

had a large Republican Majority in congress to contend with. Nixon was forced to sign off on many Democratic programs. OSHA, Environmental laws,etc. while on the other hand Clinton was forced to sign off on many Republican programs NAFTA, Welfare Reform, etc. The President doesn't act in a vacuum.

That's another reason we HAVE to win more seats this year. Not that I think they would do anything to ending the Drug War.

Democrats shot him down. They let the quest for perfection shoot down the good. Everyone in America would have had a form of Health Care which could always be improved upon. Instead we got nothing and the Republicans got a HUGE victory because of it...After '94 not much of what Clinton did was of great value to Americans IMO....

http://www.marijuananews.com/marijuananews/cowan/norml_analysis_of_marijuana_arre.htm

Washington, DC: State and local law enforcement arrested nearly 700,000* Americans on marijuana charges during 1997, according to the latest edition of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Uniform Crime Report. This figure is almost double the number of arrests recorded in 1993, the year President Bill Clinton took office, and pushes the total number of marijuana arrests under his administration to approximately 2.8 million. The 1997 yearly arrest total for marijuana violations is the highest ever recorded by the FBI.

FBI data indicate that 87 percent of marijuana arrests are for simple "possession" only. The remaining 13 percent are for "sale/manufacture," a category that includes all cultivation offenses—even those where the marijuana was being grown for personal or medical use.

Marijuana Arrests Under President Bill Clinton

1993 380,399

1994 481,098

1995 588,963

1996 642,000

1997 695,200

Total Arrests: 2,787,660

:puke:

When he held his press conference announcing the NEW DRUG CZAR Gen. McCaffery, we were in shock.

My partner and I wrote a musical odyssey about it. "Transmissions From The Dark Ages"

BTW, who the fuck's idea was it to start using the word "Czar" anyway? What were they THINKING?

Your musical odyssey sounds like a lot of fun! Maybe something like "Springtime for Hitler" meets Spike Lee's "25th Hour"?

In 1988, towards the close of the Reagan administration, the Office of National Drug Control Policy was created for central coordination of drug-related legislative, security, diplomatic, research and health policy throughout the government. In recognition of his central role, the director of ONDCP is commonly known as the Drug Czar. The position was raised to cabinet-level status by Bill Clinton in 1993.


"Transmissions" is a dark odyssey which follows a drifter who quits his job after soul searching his moral compass and deciding it wasn't worth having to fire people who didn't pass drug tests.

Said hell no. Explain that one to me.

Personally I couldn't care less one way or the other if they legalize it or not.

Clinton had to "prove" he was tougher on drugs.

Nixon did not.

This is why I fear another Clinton presidency. They moved us too far to the center and right in order to appease and that has left us far less progressive than our party was 30 years ago.

Imagine if the Democrats had stuck with the enlightened ideas of Jimmy Carter back in '76 and not abandoned them just because Reagan handed us our head for 8 years.

Do you have evidence of this that no one of us have ever seen, or has ever been reported in the media?

Even one toke by Clinton would be a forrest fire by Nixon standards, by my Aunt Karen's too. Lighten up, its only a phrase, a term of art.

On Bill Maher tonight Merle Huggard told a story of how Hillary went on Willie's bus and she inhaled:rofl:

He was joking, or was he.

That one line about Hillary just laid me away, "she came on Willie's bus. She inhaled."

I've passed Willie plenty of doobies when I would go see him play. I think I had something far more valuable to give him, then passing a bottle of Wild Turkey.

I thought his joke was Hilliarious.

live with baseless accusations? Apparently thats what it has come to. Of course if the name Clinton was replaced with Obama, you would probabally implode.

It looked like a statement.

:shrug: I guess he didn't have ANY power to do anything about it.

Another 2 or 3 millions individuals imprisoned for smoking dried plant remnants?

I wonder what they will get for their contribution.

I wish someone would ASK them about ending the War on Drugs, or at least QUIT LOCKING UP CANNABIS PARTAKERS.

But, but, but, It's such a CASH COW, why ruin a good thing.

http://con-stellations.blogspot.com/2007/02/dollars-in-bars-private-prison.html

The Clinton Administration took the groundwork laid by Nixon, Reagan and Bush and embraced and blossomed the expansion and promotion of federal support for police, enforcement and the War on Drugs with a passion that was hard to understand unless and until you realized that the American financial system was deeply dependent on attracting an estimated $500 billion-$1 trillion of annual money laundering. Globalizing corporations and deepening deficits and housing bubbles required attracting vast amounts of capital.


Attracting capital also required making the world safe for the reinvestment of the profits of organized crime and the war machine. Without growing organized crime and military activities through government budgets and contracts, the economy would stop centralizing. The Clinton Administration was to govern a doubling of the federal prison population .

You've topped yourself again

However Clinton racheted up the drug war to heights only dreamed of by Nixon. It was under the auspices, and with his blessing, that the prison industry really took off, most of it on the backs of minor drug convictions.

Now the funny thing is, in a nearby city that has passed a smoking ban the punishment for smoking inside a bar or restaurant is much greater than if you lit up a joint.

became a great steady buisness. Nixon probably saw it as a great source of revanue that he could tax the hell out of. Now its more profitable to have cheap human labor and subsidies from the gov.

That was a Great presentation. Jim understands the absurd realities of our crazy leaders, and the hardships they put on the little guy, while BIG bidness rakes in the profits off others.

make them release their dealers.. not worth the paper work/

http://www.madcowprod.com/10092007.html

Or drive into trees for that matter.

or if they do its not induced by pot.

until the last bit of smelly amber poison is gone.

"where the hell am I"
"what did i do last night"
"why am I so sore?"
"I feel like shit"
or have hangovers
or say things they regret.

Despite the fact that the drug industry literally rips apart the rainforest looking for exotic plants to make new drugs from. Weird.

a cheap source of paper, converts carbon dioxide to oxygen alot more effeciently then any other plants. Grows faster then corn. Oh and that its backed by some of the greatest people in our history. George washington loved hemp and guess what. Our favorite document is written on it. thats right the constitution.

"What will be surprising to most modern readers is the frequent use of intoxicants like wine, strong-drink, and mandrake in the Bible. Perhaps even harder to accept will be the copious use of cannabis, (Hebrew kaneh-bosm), by both the Hebrew Priests and Kings for shamanistic purposes…a tradition that was continued by both Jesus and his followers."

"The fact cannabis is being used for medical purpose again as God intended, and as the disciples and Christ used throughout the Bible.
We feel this is the missing part of our society that it is not holy and this will seriously change matters if made more public again as should be.
Now Cannabis is not what they call an intoxicant as it joins to the Cannabinoid receptors in the brain as a natural process of nature.
Now within the anointing oil in the Bible this was officially announced in 1980 by the Hebrew University; yet is observable in any Strong’s concordance or lexicon as the words are the same just not translated i.e. Kaneh bosom."

in this day and age of video games and tv a drug that promotes social activities and togetherness is ok by me. especially a drug that promotes peace.

http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html

HISTORY CENSORED FROM THE PEOPLE

He is the man in the legalization movement.

Affordable, Available Herbal Health Care



For more than 3,500 years, cannabis/hemp/marijuana has been, depending on the culture or nation, either the most used or one of the most widely used plants for medicines. This includes: China, India, the Middle and Near East, Africa, and pre-Roman Catholic Europe (prior to 476 A.D.).



Dr. Raphael Mechoulam, NORML, High Times and Omni magazine (September 1982) all indicate that, if marijuana were legal it would immediately replace 10-20% of all pharmaceutical prescription medicines (based on research through 1976). And probably, Mechoulam estimates, 40-50% of all medicines, including patent medicines, could contain some extract from the cannabis plant when fully researched.

:sarcasm:

but but but but

:D

And where would Hillary fit into this schemata?

:D



I've already done a few pix of Hillary, so I may leave her alone for a while. I want to concentrate on Romney now. :evilgrin:

That is one my favorites.

It irks me, moves me and charms me, amuses me.

SR, in what format do you sell your work? Posters? It is not that clear from your website. They appear to just be downloads.

Maybe I should, especially since I am unemployed, but I don't do it for money. It's all about fun and catharsis. :D

You should consider it. I would be your first customer gladly if the prints were of sufficient size especially. I don't know what kind of graphic density you got there...

72 dpi for posting on the web, and 200-300 dpi originals (some even larger). Of course, the photos that I cut up and use are very low-res jpgs and gifs I swipe from the Internets. :D I then blow them up in Photoshop Elements and paint them for hours and hours, in multiple layers. I guess if I had a full version of Photoshop I could use filters to do much of the laborious work, but I like having the limitations because it gives me new ideas as I solve problems... ok, gotta go to band practice.

your nonsensical photo shop pics are getting OLD.....

Retire your useless skills? (or post that lame ass shit on Myspace)

Check out Fark.com and get the meaning?

Now, on the topic......Weed should be legal.

But no politician will touch it with a ten foot pole.

I thought back in the 80's it might get legalized by 2000.

That didn't happen, and I don't see it happening before I die.

Sucks.

:rofl:

You're just mad at me because I said the "Guitar Hero" video game SUCKS. :D



durp durp durp! :rofl:

We've all just been laughing to make you feel better. Kind of like the special olympics of comedy.

:P


Edit: And "Guitar Hero" sucks ass. Learn a real fucking instrument.

:D :hi: :9



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Lucky I have a batch of lamb shanks brewing...

LOL

:D

going ANYWHERE. :grr:

Maybe an Xbox obsession has flattened your taste levels in some way.

Again, thank you for participating in this experiment called "Democracy", dear "profile disabled".

I'm guessing it may actually be small enough to be subject to the uncertainty principle. We may never be able to properly measure it.

So it's like he's a super-patriot, or some shit like that.

What a strange and offensive remark. You are obviously confused and in need of some socializing.

But then again, its a public forum and this is to be expected from time to time.

John Heartfield.

South Carolina protest poster, pre revolution



USA protest poster, pre revolution



John Heartfield

:hi:

I assure you, I did a checksum and there is no degradation in the jpeg encoding between Swamp Rat's earliest work and the images on his site now.
It's quite amazing really!

"lame ass shit" = Dropping some serious knowledge for his fellow internet tough guy posse e-homies!

Useless skills?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl:

Nonsensical applies elsewhere, his work never gets old. DU would surely suffer if he were to take your... advice.

nm

Swamp Rat is one of this site's biggest assets! You should be ashamed of yourself!

DO NOT EAT THE BROWN ACID!!!!

Keep 'em coming, Swamp Rat!! A day without your sense of humor is a day lost in the dregs of hair pulling, foot stomping, whining and condescension!

You do a great service to DU! Don't ever stop!

:hug:

I guess there's more than one way to profit from crime. :sarcasm:

The "war on drugs" is every bit the draconian sham the equally phony "war on terror" is.

you really risk here in France.

remember the days of 5 finger lids? For $20.00????? What happened?:hippie:

Crazy isn't it.

Heroin, Cocaine, Crack Cocaine being sold at such low prices, a hell of a lot cheaper than pot. I think the Feds decided if they could get the black community hooked on CRACK by selling it so cheap, the black community didn't need the weed as much.

I remember 5 finger lids going for $10.00 :wow: Sheesh, we need a time machine.

Sadly, $400 isn't too uncommon.

It's been years since I was a pot smoker, but I still know people. I've got a friend in Jersey who keep trying to get me to buy some of that really killer stuff (stuff I wish they were growing when I was still smoking) I can get out here for $100 an ounce, drive it out to Jersey, and sell it for $800 an ounce.

Pot's also WAY cheaper in the South. When I first went to college "back home," I tried to buy an eighth, the standard smallest amount on the West Coast. The guy said, "what's that?" Georgia, for instance, is the nation's largest producer of marijuana, and it's not those houses they put on TV, it's just regular farmers trying to supplement their incomes.

Thanks for the thread, MagicKMuffin.

Marijuana laws are irrational and unjust. Millions of lives are ruined for nothing.

Cowardly politicians are responsible for this, not the police.

Cokeheads can too!