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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:12 AM Original message |
Don't treat the old and unhealthy, say doctors |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hell, maybe they should just deny any operation |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. I hope all doctors there become old and unhealthy. what then, docs? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
2. Give 'em soma and let 'em die. |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Soma, that's how I got old and unhealthy....YES ..give me soma. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
23. Quinolones/fluroquinolones {common;y prescribed 'new' antibiotics} are poisonous too |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. On behalf of my mother, myself, and my family, I say: |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:27 AM Response to Original message |
5. Sounds like the 45-1 Retirement Plan |
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Yavapai (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
35. when the hospital/doctor refuses treatment to my wife, |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Yes, that would be the classic Postal Retort. n/t |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
6. That old "bootstrap mentality" will soon seep into every aspect of our lives. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:43 AM Response to Original message |
7. A newer, kinder eugenics. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Yeah, no kidding. |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Gotta have the green on Tuesdays next I guess |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
8. The kneejerkers aghast at this might note that... |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. It's not about 90 year olds ... eventually it'll be about 12 year old poor kids |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. That might be, but it's something to fight against. We still... |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. No, I think we have to find a way to drastically reduce the costs of medical care itself |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Bingo |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
55. Look at Texas |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
97. This is national single payer healthcare... Period... |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. There is a fairly common assumption around here that single-payer |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. That's been my argument for years, and that... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. I am a strong proponent of single-payer |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
99. I have a nit to pick |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Oh, I don't know...I suppose we all have our horror stories... |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. ANd in englend they are talking about who to let die... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. OK, fair enough. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Because the market will bear it.. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 05:25 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. The market is getting tired of being exploited |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Correlation does not equal Causality |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-31-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. Correlation is not causation but it sure is a hint |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Recommended for your post. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. I agree with you. |
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zorahopkins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
56. Another Question.... |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
57. Keep in mind that the costs in your dad's case would be much less in a single payer system |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
100. But that should be a personal decision... |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Funny this conversation isn't being held in every nation with universal healthcare |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. class raises its ugly head |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. It is held in every country with universal healthcare |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
101. huh? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
43. About Alcoholics and Livers |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. As is Larry Hagman and numerous other famous liver recipients |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
70. lets deny treatment to everyone who doesn't exercise |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
77. "the old" is not restricted to those too feeble to function. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
13. When the wealthy and powerful start deciding who lives and dies, we're ALL at risk. |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Exactly, once the barn door is fully open, there is no retreating. n/t |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
17. This comes from a very right-wing British newspaper (the 'Torygraph') |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
20. This is a perfect approach for treating human beings... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Exactly. It's a symptom of wholesale objectification of human beings. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
44. Unless You Are Willing to Go Back to An Agrarian / Artisan /Tradesman Economy |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
74. It wouldn't be "go back". Getting rid of corporations would be an *advance* |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
21. Easy solution |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
65. Exactly |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:18 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. *Well* said! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
24. Bureaucracy is the problem, and it doesn't matter if it's corporate or otherwise. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
25. There's a serious discussion buried here somewhere... |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Except you might need to notice that the people targeted for denial of less-than-extreme treatment |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. My contention is that the abuses you cite are more numerous if.... |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #28 |
91. Oh, the abuses are very much alive and well |
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Spiffarino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Dick Cheney would be dead were it not for his money |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. HIS money?!!?? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
33. Money decides who lives and who dies. No matter what the equation |
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halobeam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
34. There is something really wrong with this type of thinking. |
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Mitsuko (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
38. Need to know more specifics |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
39. All doctors today care about is money and golf! |
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ACapsizingBoat (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. What's really repulsive though is that they pretend to care. |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
66. I disagree. I see a few docs, have a fairly high need med condition, |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
68. There are a few half-way decent ones, but most are inhuman, |
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Kixel (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
40. Well... |
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Kixel (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
41. Self Delete |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
42. Then just give me a pill of fast acting poison . |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
47. What's a "social abortion"? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Why yes, I believe that would be it. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
48. I guess they missed the poor, although they don't treat them |
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GCP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. They do treat the poor in Britain |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. This debate is about keeping health care free |
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water (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Are you serious? That's disgusting. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:02 AM Response to Reply #64 |
73. How about this? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
49. Insiders: Don't believe The Telegraph |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #49 |
79. HEAR HEAR! |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
51. The only reason a doctor should refuse to preform an operation |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
82. But that is basically what their point is! |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
59. Good thing... this is what I've been talking about |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
61. They should not treat accident victims who didn't wear a seat belt either. |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
62. Many insurance policies here exclude treatment for obesity |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
117. Paying for liposuction and gastric bypass would pay for itself. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
63. Hey folks, when quoting a British paper, be aware that some of them are |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
78. Yes, except the Mirror |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Back during the fuss about the Clinton health care proposal |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
89. Yes, and you've omitted the worst of all.. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
112. Sorry, I was just mentioning the ones I'd seen lying around on trains and buses |
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I work for workers (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
67. This is a common problem. In general |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
69. What the fuck is a "social" abortion |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. I would expect they mean one done because of the wishes of the woman |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Yes... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
71. How barbaric! In our more enlightened country WE ration in a much fairer way. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
72. From the Telegraph, eh? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
76. i don't like the telegraph -- which is a right wing rag -- but this has |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
81. It may seem cruel |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #81 |
104. why should fat people and smokers be forced to pay for your cochlear implants? |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 05:31 AM Response to Reply #104 |
114. Sorry |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
84. Following this logic, |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. That isn't in fact the logic |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. That rock climbing guy is just going to go back at it when his leg heals... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. The point is not to stop people from smoking/rock climbing/getting old... |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
108. fat people are more likely to survive a heart attack... |
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Thirtieschild (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
86. I don't feel old, although most of you would probably think I am |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
87. Facts: U.S. health care costs $2 trillion/yr and rising, significant cost in last year of life, |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Not at the prices in the US. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #93 |
110. Not on anti-depressants. I take one prescription drug as a precaution against high cholesterol even |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Taking profit out of the system would be a good start n/t |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
109. OK, but why not take profits out of all economic activities? n/t |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
92. i know alot of doctors who still smoke |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
96. Yeah, turn these patients into Soylent Green |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. its made of peeeeopple! |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
98. only the healthy deserve healthcare. the sick deserve death! |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
103. Anyone who won't be treated shouldn't be taxed either. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #103 |
116. Just to clarify a few things: |
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