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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:03 AM
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I want people to think about two topics and how they diverge
1. Abortions are down this year.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4151508&page=1
2. Infant mortality is up.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/05/08/mothers.index/index.html


Any discussion about this? Does anyone think that these statistics aren't in some way related?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:06 AM
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1. What is the relationship you see?
Abortion is a choice that a mother/parents take, whereas infant mortality involves no choice at all.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:10 AM
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2. Perhaps because of extrinsic factors
Lack of monetary resources, lack of insurance to obtain prenatal care, lack of abortion providers...women are being FORCED to have infants that they may not have had if they had the available resources to terminate unwanted pregnancies.
I can personally say that we have sent 5 infants home in the last few months that have ended up dead and nobody was surprised in the least. They were unwanted babies. Unfortunately, until something actually happens, CPS cannot get involved just because the nurses have "gut feelings".
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:14 AM
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3. A couple of responses to your reply:
1) I agree with you that those most likely to lose a child in this statistical category are those with the least money and least access to abortion for an unwanted child. This has not been demonstrated by the data, but it has been inferred.
2) The study is about the loss of babies in the first 24 hours which would be the death of newborns while still in the hospital.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:16 AM
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4. Infant mortality is defined as the number deaths of infants one year of age or younger per 1000 live
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:29 AM
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5. Ok, but the US ranks near the bottom for first 24 hours and first month as well.
I would agree that if the US was near the top in infant mortalities in the first 24 hours but near the bottom after one month and a year, then it could be strictly the factors you suggest. However, we are near the bottom for 24 survival rates in hospitals with all the advantages. This doesn't mean you're wrong, it simply means it is complicated.
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Sadie4629 Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:23 AM
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9. I have often wondered (in general)
about the high US infant mortality rate. Is it possible that it is because many of the babies that would be miscarried in other countries are born alive here? That our high mortality rate is actually a result of our higher quality medical care?

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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:31 AM
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6. Hmmm
A more interesting correlation would be the amount of abortions in a particular area, vs abandoned newborns both found alive or not. Seems to me (and I realize this is anaecdoctal) that I hear more about the sad stories of finding dead newborns in dumpsters....
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:33 AM
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7. Actually this topic came to me
because I sent another infant home recently that I fully expect to become part of the statistics.:(
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:25 AM
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10. How awful for you!
You know your "gut" is right, but you are powerless to do anything.

My sister is an RN, and I often wonder how you all keep yourselves up.

As to your question, I would assume that lack of proper pre-natal care is a factor, as well as possibly poor parenting after birth. Whether these parents would have chosen abortion if it had been available and affordable, we just don't know.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:38 AM
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8. Politics
I can't imagine what the numbers really are.
http://www.yesican.org/stats.html
Finding of the NIS-3:
* The estimated number of children seriously injured by all forms of maltreatment quadrupled between 1986 and 1993, from 141,700 to 565,000 (a 299% increase).
* Considering the Harm Standard:
* The estimated number of sexually abused children increased 83%;
* The number of physically neglected children rose 102%;
* There was a 333 % increase in the estimated number of emotionally neglected children; and
* The estimated number of physically abused children rose 42%.

Boys are at a greater risk of serious injury and of emotional neglect than are girls.
The incidence of fatally injured girls declined slightly, while the incidence of fatally injured boys rose.

Found no race differences in maltreatment incidence.

Poverty is significantly related to incidence rates in nearly every category of maltreatment. Compared to children whose families earned $30,000 or more, children in families with annual incomes below $15,000 were:

* More than 22 times more likely to experience maltreatment under the Harm Standard and 25 times more likely under the Endangerment Standard.
* More than 44 times more likely to be neglected, by either definitional standard.
* Over 22 times more likely to be seriously injured using either definitional standard.
* 60 times more likely to die from maltreatment under the Harm Standard.


How many children are abused and neglected in the United States?
http://pediatrics.about.com/od/childabuse/a/05_abuse_stats.htm?terms=statistics+on+child+abuse
Each week, child protective services (CPS) agencies throughout the United States receive more than 50,000 reports of suspected child abuse or neglect. In 2002, 2.6 million reports concerning the welfare of approximately 4.5 million children were made.


An average of nearly four children die every day as a result of child abuse or neglect (1,400 in 2002).


http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/statistics/entryexit2005.htm
Foster Care in the Year 2020 (if nothing changes in child welfare trends)
Children who will experience the foster care system Over 9,000,00014
Children who will age out of the foster care system 300,00015
Foster youth aging out of the system that will experience homelessness 75,00016
Foster youth aging out of the system that graduate from college 9,00017
Number of children killed by abuse or neglect 22,50018
http://www.casey.org/NR/rdonlyres/89F2787D-AA68-45D5-B5CC-557B20BB426F/1226/fcFACTS1007.pdf
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