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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 08:51 AM
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The economic stimulus package of . . . . . 1929
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 08:51 AM by RGBolen
Not much change in thinking from some.


The great fiscal stimulus package ... of 1929

By Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch


NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Lately, whenever the market has a bad day, the reflex among financial-news editors is to compare our current situation with 1987 and wonder if a "Black Monday"-style crash is on the horizon.
But some observers draw a darker metaphor, noting that much of what we are seeing now also took place in 1929. As we know, that meltdown -- unlike the 1987 crash -- was not followed by a happy ending, but rather by a decade of poverty, shantytowns and sporadic famine.
Popular imagination has the Great Depression opening with a bang in October 1929. We forget that even by December of that year, the market had no idea what was really in store. After a period of wild, bipolar volatility, stocks had taken two big tumbles (a 12.8% drop on Oct. 28 and an 11.7% fall the next day) while the top bankers and "captains of industry" rushed to shore up the market. By November, the Dow had hit its low for the year at 198, down from the giddy September high of 381.
But, the financial pundits and government leaders of the day insisted, the economy's fundamentals were still strong. Mass unemployment was, some months after the crash, still just something that went on in Germany and Britain. America was strong and merely needed a push to keep the financial markets from harming the broader economy.
With that in mind, Herbert Hoover -- only nine months into his presidency -- assembled leaders from the public and private sectors to create an economic-stimulus package. Among the measures, Time magazine reported at the time, was a promise from Congress to offer bipartisan support for a tax-cut package. The proposal called for $160 million in tax relief -- only about $22 billion if adjusted against the gross domestic product at the time, and therefore much smaller than the plan under consideration here in 2008. Read Time's original coverage of the plan.
Also on the table was an assurance from the Federal Reserve that it would provide cheaper credit. Granted, the Fed had much less power over the money supply in those days, mainly because the amount of liquidity it could create was limited by the supply of gold it held to back the dollar.
Of course, there were a litany of public-works projects, plans for new corporate investments, and even a promise by Henry Ford to raise wages at his auto plants.
None of this worked. What was first seen as speed bump to the expansion of American finance became something much larger. The Dow continued falling, hitting 157 in 1930, 73 in 1931 and finally a mere 41 points in 1932. It did not reach its 1929 high again until 1954, a generation later.
Certainly, our economy now has far more differences than similarities with the economy of 1929, and few expect a new depression for the decade ahead. But it's also worth remembering that the best laid plans of presidents, chief executives and senators can sometimes come to nothing.




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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:20 AM
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1. I wish the people who keep posting this would also look at:
1) The percentage of people involved in the equities market in 1929 and in 2008

2) The number of the above who are defaulted into timed buying via 401ks and similar plans

3) The different fluidity of global capital and information in the two eras

4) The ratio of the US economy driven by foreign owners and foreign customers in 1929 and in 2008

5) The amount of the US economy dependent on labor intensive manufacturing and agriculture in 1929 and 2088

6) The maturity of currency and hedging markets in 1929 compared to 2008

7) The protection mechanisms available to, and even built into, the equities market in 1929 and 2008

People wax all lyrical about how irrational the equities market is now (and it is of course) without forgetting that it is also irrational in periods of rapid decline.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:26 AM
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2. certainly, our economy now has far more differences than similarities with the economy of 1929,
That line was in there.


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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:30 AM
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3. yes buried amongst all the usual hperventilating
posted a dozen times already, about how some analogy of the some agency did something close to a minor, and quite likely ineffectual, economic recovery effort today.

If you can't see the sledgehammer implication that the differences are not important in this article, and to the many doom and gloom Malthus Littles who have posted it already, read it again.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:33 AM
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4. I'm the furthest from doom and gloom, just thought it was interesting
And doesn't predict doom and gloom.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:57 AM
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5. How big was the U.S. debt in 1929 compared to today
Even adjusted for inflation? How much was the trade deficit?
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