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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:07 AM
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Rep. Conyers: Impeachment Is Not Off the Table
Rep. Conyers: Impeachment Is Not Off the Table
Posted by Matt Stoller, Open Left on January 29, 2008 at 6:35 AM.

Today at the Progressive Media Summit I managed to catch a conversation between Rob Kall of OpedEdNews and House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers on the potential impeachment of both Bush and Cheney. The video starts in the middle of a sentence, but other than that, it's pretty clear cut. It's an interesting dialogue in which Conyers goes back and forth on his own authority and ability to bring impeachment charges, his political arguments against it, and finally, his firm statement that Bush could do plenty to justify impeachment and that the option is not 'off the table'. You get to see a fascinating and very human interaction between a highly intelligent activist and a sitting Congressman with immense power who is vaguely irritated at having to answer questions, but also intensely interested in answering them.

The transcript is as follows:


John Conyers: Two impeachments rather than one. They've either got to be simultaneous or serie atum.


Rob Kall: Serie atum would be the way to do it. First Cheney, then Bush. History teaches us, let's start with Gonzales. We went to Gonzales, and he's gone. They went to Agnew, he left. Then they went to Nixon, and they started doing hearings on him. It never went to a vote in the Senate. And I don't think it ever would. All we need to do is get the hearings opened up where they can't say 'sorry, executive privilege, then you've got the tools, which is what Impeachment is, it's a tool.


John Conyers: You know who's been in more impeachment hearings than anybody in the House or Senate?


Rob Kall: You?


John Conyers: Right.


Rob Kall: And you wrote a book on impeaching Bush, too.


John Conyers: A couple, yes. Well there must be some compelling reason that I'm not doing it right now.


Rob Kall: Pelosi, Pelosi keeps coming to mind.


John Conyers: How could she stop, well, she could stop me because actually it goes through a special committee on the House, but, Pelosi can't stop me from anything, really.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/75296/#more
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:08 AM
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1. tick tock tick tock ...
... jus' sayin' ...
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:10 AM
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2. its coming
just agreeing;-)
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:14 AM
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3. Well, as Marvin Gaye once said "Let's Get It On"
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:15 AM
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4. Well?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:17 AM
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5. Please, please, Honorable Representative Conyers, do something!
And quickly! They're doing the "WMD!" thing about Iran!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:20 AM
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6. they need to hold these SOB's accountable, they need to be
held behind bars, cause they will poison the system again, those neo cons are involved in every branch of government. All those who signed the PNAC agreement should be held accountable, instead of running around spewing their poison around.

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber

Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick

Gary Bauer Jeb Bush Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen George Weigel
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 AM
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7. THEN GET ON WITH IT DAMN IT!!!!!!!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 AM
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8. so John, when are you gonna ENFORCE any of your subpoenas har har nt
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:34 AM
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9. "Pelosi can't stop me from anything, really." cuz she isn't the Prez YET!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:40 AM
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10. Not off the table, just buried in commitee...same thing. nt
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:44 AM
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11. ah em...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:45 AM
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12. He hasn't done enough already to justify impeachment?
:wtf: :eyes:
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:49 AM
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13. Someone needs to remind him that actions speak louder than words
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:51 AM
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14. Come on JC
Impeach!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:53 AM
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15. Whatever, John Conyers. Wake me up when you get off your ass and impeach the two bastards. n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:55 AM
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16. Key Words: "Could Do Plenty" Not "Has Done Plenty".
I'm a bit surprised no one discussed that part yet.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:57 AM
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17. Well there must be some compelling reason that I'm not doing it right now.
OK let's hear it..........
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:11 AM
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18. * crickets chirping *
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:15 AM
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19. David Swanson tells a different story about Conyers' plans:
http://www.davidswanson.org/?q=node/1067

...

Wexler proposed opening impeachment hearings on Cheney. Conyers committee staffer Perry Appelbaum laid out instead a schedule for non-impeachment hearings over the coming 11 months. Conyers' notion is to hold non-impeachment hearings on "the imperial presidency" and run out the clock. I guess that would be sort of like a dozen police officers paying a non-arresting visit to the home of a mass murderer. Seriously? An "imperial" president, and you don't impeach him, and you don't retire or commit suicide? This baffles me.

...
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:17 AM
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23. I've been an ardent supporter of impeachment...
...of both Bush and Cheney, in reverse order, but I've also had to wrestle with the fact that impeachment is a two-edged sword; to wit; If the order of impeachment and replacement of these two isn't handled correctly, Nancy Pelosi would become President. No matter how temporary that might turn out to be, it makes me throw up to think of that woman in the office of President of the United States when she has been such a disaster as Speaker!

I hope we'll all know someday exactly *what* has caused Mr. Conyers to behave in such an apparently irrational way -- after doing investigations down in a basement and writing an in-depth report about the impeachable crimes of this administration, and then to cave when 2007 rolled around? Something's rotten somewhere.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:47 AM
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20. Well, if she can't really stop you , get off your ass and do it!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:21 PM
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21. Betty Sutton, Rep. from Ohio,
said that 'the rumor' is there will be Impeachment Hearings from Nov. 5 to Jan. 19...because there is nothing to do then.

Very, very disappointing to say the least.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:51 PM
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22. I have to disagree with the subject line.
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 06:42 PM by eomer
While Conyers may have uttered the words "it is not off the table", the rest of what he said made it abundantly clear that it IS off the table, at least unless Bush does something additional that is even worse than any of the long and terrible list of things he's already done -- a first-use nuclear strike on Iran I suppose, or something like that.

Edit: actually, it is the title of the original article that I take issue with, not kpete's subject line, which is just a literal quote.

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