Anonymous, not so anonymous, "raids" anti-Gay Scientology in Orlando.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfKQ75F0XsA

Another message from Anonymous:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkchXCzY70

People like you will only believe what you want. I was in Scientology for 5 years, working on staff and they were never anti-gay. I never heard of Xenu until it appeared on the Internet. I walked away from the organization without a problem. I am still in contact with some friends who are still in Scientology, so they know where I live and my phone number. Just about everything anyone has posted here has been nothing like anything I experienced in Scientology.

But, hey, it's on the Internet, it must be true.

zalinda

who is their god - what creation story did you believe in?

but i think it has something to do with humans being enslaved by an alien race and brought here...

that mite be completely wrong tho, and i havent gone to look to see if it is... so take it with a grain of salt.
lol

Their philosophy can co-exist with any other religion, well most religions. What they believe in is that man is basically good. He is a spiritual being, who should be responsible and ethical. Whether one believes in a God is up to the person, but that there is a spiritual connection that binds us all. Whether one believes that connection is a God or not, is up to each individual.

A creation story is not taught. As ones religion usually dictates what one believes. BTW, Scientology is a religious philosophy, as it defines man as a spiritual being, rather than worshiping some God.

zalinda

Scientologists cannot remain a Christian or a Muslim or member of another religion. That is a lie told to potential recruits to make them more amenable to joining. Scientology DOES have a creation story, but it is not revealed to Scientologists until they've been in the church for many years and have spent thousands of dollars to get up to, what they call OTIII. Lower level Scientologists know nothing about it. The story involves the Evil Lord Xenu, and(to Scientology's great chagrin) was famously exposed on an episode of SouthPark. Keep in mind, Scientologists(especially staff members like zalinda) are actually trained how to lie more effectively. Ask yourself, what other religion teaches THAT?

And yes, you can belong to any other religion and belong to Scientology. There have been priests who have studied Scientology. No one that I ever met was asked to give up their religion. Religion after all is a set of rituals that makes a person feel better. Feeling better is what Scientology is all about.

And you do realize that there are very few OT III's out there, don't you. So, the vast majority of Scientologists have never heard of Xenu, that would mean about 99% of them. So, if this fantastic story about Xenu is true, how does it impact the vast majority of Scientologists? There is a lot of anger about something that 99% of Scientologists don't believe, don't you see the silliness of that? And you quote South Park, a cartoon, as your source? That's intelligent.

zalinda

One should be leery of what any scientologist or "former" scientologist says. Especially if that persons spews known untruths, like you are doing, here. You are clearly spreading lies. Typical Scientology lies. Something you have been trained to do. The Xenu story IS true. It's been confirmed by many ex-members of your cult who arrived at OTIII. And no, I didn't get it from SouthPark. I merely said SouthPark famously exposed Scientology's secret mythology on national television. It was out there way before that.

If anyone cares want to investigate the cult of Scientology, don't believe me and don't believe "ex"-member zalinda. Research it yourself. I suggest you begin at www.xenu.net

Why should I believe what is posted on the Internet? Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's true. I don't know who put up the web site, or why, and I really don't care. I know nothing about xenu, and never even heard of it until a few years ago. And I really don't care to read about something that I don't know for a fact is true. What I do know, is that I learned some very valuable things while in Scientology and this has helped me in my life.

As for xenu, you can go wallow in your anger with him/her/or whatever it is.

zalinda

When I read the other poster's initial reply in this thread my first thought was that the remarks sounded as though they came from someone who wasn't "in very deep". Views of those who have "fallen away" or whatever tend to vary greatly among those who leave such organizations.

So I agree with you getting the facts out I urge you to try a softer tone with your fellow DUer on this.

Just my .0125

Julie

I will not use a 'softer tone' with someone like zalinda. It's very clear by your post you know nothing about the Church of Scientology. If you did, you would know I was justified in calling her a liar. People who have been in that cult for 5 years(and worked on staff) know damn well you cannot be both a Christian AND a Scientologist or a whatever AND a Scientologist. That is a lie told to prospective members.

First of all I believe it's against DU rules to call other DUers liars. Secondly as luck would have it I am actually very familiar with the ways of cults. It's not that I believe what Zalinda was saying was true, more like she probably believes it to be so. That doesn't make her a liar, not an intentional one anyway.

I say correct away and that your posts setting the record straight will be more compelling if you keep it factual. No need for the other stuff which just serves as distraction from your main point.

I like your screen name BTW.

Julie

but most religions on the other side will say that they can NOT co-exist. In other words, other religions may be able to complement Scientology but Scientology will never be viewed as a valid belief system by those other faiths.

Jehovah's Witnesses thoroughly believe it is perfectly fine to use deception for their "divine" purpose.

Julie

:popcorn:

When was your last auditing session? When was the last time you had a sec check?

If you're not being harassed, that must mean you haven't been labeled a potential trouble source. In your auditing sessions, were you made to tell your most personal details? Did your auditor write those down? Keep them in a nice little folder (or possibly a computer?)

Don't you wonder what happens to those files? If you decided to talk to someone currently in about leaving, and you were persuasive enough, I doubt your life would be as peachy.

Have you practiced squirrel tech?

My last auditing session was many years ago. I never had a sec check. And for those who want to know what a sec check is, it is a security check. Basically when someone has some ethic problems, they do a sec check on an auditing meter.

No, I have not be labeled as a PTS (potential trouble source). I have not harassed them, so they haven't harassed me. And, just for your info, Bush would be labeled PTS in Scientology. It doesn't necessarily mean that you are a source of trouble for the organization, but that you could be a source of trouble to people in the organization, or to yourself. People who drink a lot could be labeled PTS, if it interferes in an ethical way in life, if you are calling yourself a Scientologist.

As for being audited, yes, you could tell something that is personal, but it is not recorded. No personal details are put in the folder. How do I know? I did something that was not right, but I looked into a folder because I too was curious. I looked into a folder of a person who I did not know to see what was written in it. What was in it? Just a lot of tech jargon, about needle slams and other things that I had no idea what they were talking about. Absolutely nothing about the person, not even age, that you could even think was personal. Unlike a psychiatry session, really nothing personal is asked. I'm trying to think, I think the book Fundamentals of Thought, may be the closest to what auditing is, but I'm not sure. As, a for instance, you may be asked, do you have a problem with communication. Depending upon the needle read, you will be asked another question, similar but a little more focused. This will go on until you find where you have a problem with communication. Very simple. It could go back to an incident in your childhood, which is now effecting the way you interact with society, or what ever you deem the problem is.

As far as the files go, they are filed away, much like medical records are filed away, and since they don't contain anything personal, it wouldn't matter much to anyone what was in them. I know, since I had looked in one of the folders while I was filing them away in the huge filing area. No one is being black mailed, it's all a bunch of horse pucky. And here is the fundamental reason why it's a nutty concept. Because when you are in an auditing session, you may not be telling the actual truth, it may only be the truth as you perceive it. Some times imagined incidents are just as real to a person as real incidents. And some auditing sessions involve past lives, which whether you believe it or not, the person who is being audited does. So, if they say they killed someone in a past life, how are you going to blackmail them?

As for talking someone out of being in Scientology, why would I. I don't try to talk someone out of being Catholic, or Jewish, or even a Moonie. People will do things that they need to do at the time they need to do it. Right now, I don't need to continue on in Scientology. Maybe I will some day, but right now what I have learned has kept me at an even keel. And, there are plenty of people who walk away from Scientology every day, and never had a bit of trouble. I did know a number of them. I have lost track of them over time, but the only ones who had a problem where the ones who wanted their money back, but didn't want to sign the papers saying they would quit Scientology forever.

And as far as squirrel tech goes, not with an e-meter. But everyone does use squirrel tech in their every day life, when you are grasping at straws to make sure the person you are involved with doesn't a huge mistake, or there is a crisis that you are trying to control. But formal squirrel tech, which means using a non-standard form of Scientology, no, never went out and used it knowingly.

Any more questions?

zalinda

The only thing working in his favor was he was underage at the time. He had to sign some kind of statement saying his parents were unable to grasp the concept of Scientology or some such drivel, before they left him alone.

Why not answer this question alone? Can't you answer it? I guess you can't, as you'd have to admit your former(or even current) congame is BS.

to call yourself out.

lol ;)

when you pick something out, and by golly, you stick to it.

even if it means arguing with yourself.

lol.

i still say there are far more greater concerns for humanity right now than the church of scientology. i dunno if youve noticed, but alot of people just think they are whackos and ignore them.

Man, that really must be a fucked up religion.

WHY CAN'T I JUST SHUT UP?

:P

That's not what the header says. Look again:

"Publisher of New York Times and
International bestselling author
L. Ron Hubbard"

:silly:

This is only revealed to you after you've invested many tens of thousands of dollars in buying the secrets of their "religion", to the level of "OT III". This is well-documented for many decades and is not just an Internet phenomenon.

I really don't give a fuck what Scientologists believe. If they want to invest their faith, years, and livelihoods in a third-rate science fiction tale by a third-rate science fiction writer--well, then, that's their business (literally). It's the organized and brutal harassment tactics the "church" uses--that are also well-documented--that piss me off.

:P

I'm so confused.

sounds kinda shady... sounds like some true truth seekers with alot of posers in the ranks.

anybody who uses stupid tactics like false links(phishing) to get into myspace or hotmail or whatever is NOT a hacker. youre a con artist, not a hacker.

also, they claim to be 'hackers' in the traditional sense... if that were true they wouldnt deface other peoples properties or change/destroy anything. hacking was meant to be a way to seek out knowledge , not to destroy or use info for profit.

but how does that make them any worse than any other organisation in the world that does the same for lesser claims?
wheres the outrage against other atrosities?
why just scientology ?

Like I posted up-thread, they claim to publish the NYT, but in reality the NYTCo., lead by Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., publishes the NYT.

I am tempted to contact the NYT with this tidbit and see if it wouldn't cause them to investigate Scientology and do a big expose, but really even that wouldn't work, because Time did it in the early '90s and nothing happened.

you dont believe other atrosities are bullshit ?

right now we are being tricked into believe some wild eyed terrorists who "used" to be payed by our government is out to get us... is that not overt-bullshittyness too ?

Nor are they behaving like black hats either.

More like grey hats.

They're a bunch of chaotic neutral nerds that hang out on 4chan.

Seriously, people make them out to be way more brutal than they actually are.

And you do have Anonymous nailed down pretty well. It seems to me that a lot of the long time members think this whole "War on Scientology" is rather silly and counterproductive, and therefore want no part of it.

Mostly in /y/, though on occasion I will hit up /b/ for funny macros and to laugh at drama. I'd hardly call myself a /b/tard though.

$5 says they'll get bored with it once the novelty wears off and go back to pranking Fox news.

I don't think I can explain why. I think most of the drama is just bored kids making up shit but nonetheless, there is insight to be had.

I'll add $5 to your $5. "Anonymous" is mostly just a bunch of teen wannabes these days. I'd imagine most of them will become distracted by some furry porn or what have you come Feb 10, and not bother to show up.

I love what they're doing.