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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:55 AM
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1.1 MILLION Iraqi Civilian Deaths Confirmed by Brit Poll Firm - WAKE UP CALL
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 02:53 AM by autorank


http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88

New analysis ‘confirms’ 1 million+ Iraq casualties


January 28th 2008

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Documents/Revised%20Casulaty%20Data%20-%20Press%20release.doc">Press Release.Word
New Casualty Tabs.Pdf
The Story of Conducting the Poll.Pdf

Further survey work undertaken by ORB, in association with its research partner IIACSS, confirms our earlier estimate that over 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens have died as a result of the conflict which started in 2003.

Following responses to ORB’s earlier work, which was based on survey work undertaken in primarily urban locations, we have conducted almost 600 additional interviews in rural communities. By and large the results are in line with the ‘urban results’ and we now estimate that the death toll between March 2003 and August 2007 is likely to have been of the order of 1,033,000. If one takes into account the margin of error associated with survey data of this nature then the estimated range is between 946,000 and 1,120,000.

Our revised estimate – which compares to a figure of 1.2 million published in August 2007 – is based on a representative sample of 2,414 adults aged 18+. They were asked the following question:-



Casualties Calculation:

Among the over 2,160 respondents who answered the question 20% said that there had been at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict which started in 2003. Within these households the average number of deaths was 1.26 people.

The last complete census in Iraq conducted in 1997 indicated a total of 4,050,597 households. Based on this our data suggests a total of 1,033,239 deaths since March 2003. Given that the statistical margin of error on a sample of approximately 2,160 people is +1.7% (for findings at or near 20%) the possible range of casualties implied by our data is:



Detailed analysis (which is available on our website) indicates that over two-fifths of households in Baghdad have lost a family member, higher than in any other area of the country. Meanwhile among those willing to declare their doctrine (and for quite obvious reasons about half those interviewed prefer to simply describe themselves as Muslims) those from Sunni households (33%) were significantly more likely to say the conflict had claimed a household member. The respective figure for Shias being half that figure (16%).


Research Methodology:
* Results based on face-to-face interviews amongst a nationally representative sample of 2,414 adults aged 18+. Interviews conducted throughout Iraq - 1,824 in urban areas and 590 around rural sampling points.
* The survey methodology utilized multi-stage random probability sampling and covers fifteen of Iraq’s eighteen governorates. Overall 112 unique sampling points were covered – 92 in urban areas and 20 in rural locations.
* For reasons surrounding interviewer safety Karbala and Al Anbar were not included in this research. Irbil is also excluded as the local authorities refused our fieldwork team a permit to operate. We feel that the net result of these exclusions –two areas of relatively high volatility since 2003 and one relatively stable - is that the casualty estimates reported are unlikely to overstate the actual figure.
* The first batch of interviews was completed August 12th – 19th 2007 with the ‘rural booster’ conducted 20th – 24th September, 2007.
* At the 95% confidence level the ‘margin of error’ on the sample who answered (2,163) is +2.1%. This figure is applicable to findings at or near 50% while for findings in the region of 20% this margin drops to +1.7%
* Full results and data tabulations are available at www.opinion.co.uk/newsroom
* IIACSS (Independent Institute for Administration and Civil Society Studies) is a polling/ research company established in Iraq in 2003 and which has a network of interviewers covering all regions of the country. Further information about IIACSS and its founding director Dr. Munqith Dagher can be found within the relevant news article in the Newsroom section of ORB’s website.

* RB is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

For further information please contact Allan Hyde on 020 7611 5270 or email ahyde@opinion.co.uk

The Opinion Research Business
34 Bedford Row
London
WC1R 4JH
Tel: 020 7611 5270
www.opinion.co.uk

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:58 AM
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1. Is this a better or worse poll than in November 2006, when the number
was about the same, but the source was suspect? The Lancet, that lousy piece of trash? I kid, and this new info makes me sad. Full disclosure, I didn't read this yet, autorank, but now I feel like crying. Bookmarked.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:13 AM
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2. This is an update of their first 1.0 Million + poll. Lancet was a couple of years earlier, Johns
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 02:14 AM by autorank

Hopkins School of Public Health. They got tired of the dissemblers saying, "oh we can't trust those figures fired back with this. It's Johns Hopkins University for goodness sakes, published in Lancet.

For those who say the #'s are off, I say: "Is it OK if there are .5 million dead now, is that f...ing ok for the "skeptics." This is huge and you just watch, nobody will damn well pay attention. I predict a maximum of 15 recommendations. People would rather talk about Obama's smoking or Hillary's damn handshake. Why did you post here sister, you just got me riled up!!! :grr: It's all your fault!!! ;)

http://tinyurl.com/y2jx64

October 11, 2006

Updated Iraq Survey Affirms Earlier Mortality Estimates

Mortality Trends Comparable to Estimates by Those Using Other Counting Methods

Response to critics


As many as 654,965 more Iraqis may have died since hostilities began in Iraq in March 2003 than would have been expected under pre-war conditions, according to a survey conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad. The deaths from all causes—violent and non-violent—are over and above the estimated 143,000 deaths per year that occurred from all causes prior to the March 2003 invasion.

The estimates were derived from a nationwide household survey of 1,849 households throughout Iraq conducted between May and July 2006. The results are consistent with the findings of an October 2004 study of Iraq mortality conducted by the Hopkins researchers. Also, the findings closely reflect the increased mortality trends reported by other organizations that utilized passive methods of counting mortality, such as counting bodies in morgues or deaths reported by the news media. The study is published in the October 14, 2006, edition of the peer-reviewed scientific journal, The Lancet.

“As we found with our previous survey, the majority of deaths in Iraq are due to violence—although we also saw a small increase in deaths from non-violent causes, such as heart disease, cancer and chronic illness. Gunshots were the primary cause of violent deaths. To put these numbers in context, deaths are occurring in Iraq now at a rate more than three times that from before the invasion of March 2003,” said Gilbert Burnham, MD, PhD, lead author of the study and co-director of the Bloomberg School’s Center for Refugee and Disaster Response. “Our total estimate is much higher than other mortality estimates because we used a population-based, active method for collecting mortality information rather than passive methods that depend on counting bodies or tabulated media reports of violent deaths. Though the numbers differ, the trend in increasing numbers of deaths closely follows that measured by the U.S. Defense Department and the Iraq Body Count group.”
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:15 AM
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3. K&R! How many deaths does it take? n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:02 AM
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5. All of them... or until they give up all their oil.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:09 PM
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21. Eerie, it's as if the essence pure evil were captured in a single image
May I offer a :toast: ?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:59 AM
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4. I remember getting slammed by DUers the first time I accused * of genocide
I wonder how many people would disagree with that assessment now.

A very sickened K&R. :cry:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:11 AM
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7. Knowledge is power, liberating
Isn't it amazing how few people know about this. Tell them and they say, I don't know about that, maybe there's something wrong with the numbers, how do they know. Screw that! I feel like sending them the links and say, do your own damn research. Watch, there will be a few of those here.

Don't worry about the word, it's death that's the issue. I don't think anybody really signed up for this except the ruler assholes. They knew and know, yet they fund this. What a load of guilt they share. It's not "us" - it's "them" - they're to blame and when this comes out, they will be. It will take decades of media censorship to stop the word from getting out - and, thanks to the internet, that won't work for much longer.

Amazing, though, isn't it!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:17 PM
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22. Should the numbers of confirmed dead approach the percentage of the population killed during
the German invasion and occupation of what was the Soviet Union, God forbid, one wonders if the MSM would still keep its collective very ugly head in the sand. :shrug:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:48 AM
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11. I did too
there are plenty here that will argue that these deaths do not constitute genocide. Bullshit!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:52 AM
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6. hey, it's just collateral damage . . . not to worry . . .
:sarcasm:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:12 AM
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8. Five million orphans.
:cry:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:28 AM
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9. "In hoc signo vinces." - Commander AWOL Bush
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 AM
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10. one million at the very least.
thank you auto.

K&R!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:49 AM
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12. The monsters Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice
should be in chains somewhere in the Hague.
Arrest these criminals.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:07 PM
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23. Nonsense. Some corporate-apologist prez will pardon them all ...
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:27 PM by tiptoe
...kinda-like how Shitzenegger -- in first week of office -- settled Lt Gov Bustamante's lawsuit to recover $9Billion stolen by Kenny-Boy and other friends-of-Bush in the state's gamed "energy crisis"..."to start with a clean slate" (while Californians were unaware on May 17 2001 Shitzenegger was in email communication with Kenny-Boy re 'California's Energy Crisis")

My guess: The Repubgs want a Dem candidate who'll become the Bush Admin's new "Get Out of Jail Free" card (Don't Pappy Bush and Big Bill look cozy together in those "humanitarian" commercials? ...maybe not to 1.1 million dead Iraqi citizens of "American humanitarianism" now delivering soccer balls to 5 million orphans.)

Pity Edwards is dropping out:

I'd prefer Gore's Corporate-Kick-Ass Trial Lawyer VP to Bill's ex-Wal-Mart Corporate Lawyer Kiss-Ass.

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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:52 AM
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13. Ethnic cleansing for oil. Colonialism is very much still alive
I welcome nuclear weapons proliferation
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:59 AM
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14. So sad. It's important to see the truth published about this. Proof the ones in power do not have
the goodness needed to use power wisely. The whole world should mourn this, but we have some monsters in our midst who are always happy with the suffering of others.

We all knew the number would be horrendous, and it surely is. Thank you, autorank, for this unforgettable, unforgivable news.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:02 AM
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15. I'll recommend. I have acquaintenances, so-called "liberals" even..
who told me recently that it couldn't be 1 million.

Maybe it's something in the water.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:27 AM
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16. This truth is getting inconvenienter and inconvenienter!
Bringing democracy to the Iraqi people is taking its toll! The job is getting easier though, because now we have fewer people to bang over the head with the hammer of "Democracy"!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:38 AM
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31. McCain's plan would wipe out 42 million Iraqis. He'd have to shop at 26 mil, the total population

But Huckabee kills world wide 5.8 billion in his "End of Times" scenario featuring the antiChrist.

We've got a "body count" gap. Our candidates just provide more of the above.

What a deal, not one candidate goes after the hard core 70% of the population that's fed up with
the Iraq war.

Why's that?
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:08 PM
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32. "Why's that?" Well, in the past the ad guys gave us...
..."kinder, kirche, kuche" (with definitely a little schnitzel in the kuche), and "a chicken in every pot," and it worked. Now our would-be glorious leaders are talking about a gallon in every tank (but don't use it all in one day), and for the more religiously inclined, a free rapturous trip to outer space, with the catch that you have to leave your clothes -- including your underwear -- and your watch and car behind. (You get to take your *behind* with you, because you'll need it later on.)

"Why's that?" is a question that reverberates through history. The day of the demigod should have vanished when we put a man on the moon. Instead, we seem to be devolving, rather than evolving, as a country. If 70% of the people want peace and education, how is it that the least-evolved among us always grab the reins of power? "*Some* kinder, *limited* kirche, and Kucinich in the kuche" -- he *could* stand the heat, but they wouldn't let him -- didn't work out this time around, but there's *always* the future (on another planet because we've trashed this one)!

Maybe we'll see the birth of the "Why's That?" party in the future, with radical ideas like free speech for *all* the candidates (and the citizens they seek to govern), devotion to the dismantling of every effing electronic voting machine on the planet, restoration of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (with a few tweaks like abolishing the electoral college), *compassionate* programs to cover health care (to include things good for the health like a roof over the head, warm clothing, and time off to consider "Why's that?" instead of slave working conditions that tear at the very root of *family values*!)

Don't worry too much about the body count. The likes of Hickabee point to the "quiverful" movement to replinish Earth's supply of people (women are relieved of the onerous task of taking birth control pills and have more time to ....), and this time, they'll be born *Christian*!

Want some of what I'm smoking? It's way cool shit! :)
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:54 AM
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17. Important
K & R
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:17 PM
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18. Kick
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:41 PM
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19. George Bush...
There is a special place in Hell waiting for you, you bastard.

I don't care if you claim you "received Jesus as your savior", you're going to hell! God WILL NOT FORGIVE THIS TIME, ASSHOLE!

:mad:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:48 PM
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20. He'll have a hard sell at the Pearly Gate.
He can believe whatever he wants, all it takes is the facts and we know what this entire administraiton is about - death and suffering.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:13 PM
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24. Kick
:kick:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:16 PM
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25. I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever
taken from "Notes on the State of Virginia" and inscribed on the Jefferson Memorial
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:47 PM
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26. That's so true.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 10:47 PM by autorank
Thanks. Jefferson was telling the truth. There was wide knowledge of our particular unforgivables - slavery, wiping out the native Americans. There was a free flow of information in many areas and people could actually see what was going on.

Today, we experience the perfect control mechanism - the perpetrators own the media. Those who put Bush into power own the major television networks and media conglomerates. We can't see the atrocities unless we go overseas or inquire overseas or to the alternate media). Then we have to deal with the discrediting processes - well, how did they get those numbers; the "surge" is working; etc. Why wouldn't people believe Saddam had WMD? Why wouldn't they be ignorant of this data? There is a total dis-information awareness project going non stop.


to adapt the well take point from the 1700's, THEY, the administration and the enablers shoud be sayi8ng: "(WE) tremble for (OURSELVES) when (WE) reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever."

Thanks again.


:kick:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:14 PM
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33. Actually, I'm a little tired of God turning in his sleep, while we down here below...
...are left to deal with God's imperfect, unruly children. If parents down here can be held responsible if their kids take dope and crash their car into a little old lady, why can't this legendary God wake up and get ruling? Why's that?

Instead of just trembling for ourselves, maybe we could all get together and create a better world. It's not yet too late!
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:55 PM
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27. K&R n/t
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:47 PM
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28. One more KnR.
Sorry so late to the thread!

I wonder if we will ever know how many were killed in Fallujah Nov. 2004. Is that number included or is this just Bagdad?

Tired, not able to read well tonight.

:hi:
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msedano Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:29 AM
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29. they were expendable
2163 Iraqi adults responding. Damn! that's a lot of people gathering data. Must be some interesting stories behind that element of the report. thanx for staying atop it.

A million dead since 2003, 200000 a year give or take a few tragedies. And our 4 thousand soldiers. All these people, it seems, were expendable. Come election time in the US, the candidates argue about anything but these million and 4 thousand expendables. I'm waiting for a candidate to speak out loud that Geo. W. Shithead has so mucked up US foreign relations that since he can't kill a son to appease whatever gods there be, Shrub better go stand beside Highway 61 and hope he sees him coming. Next year, in Washington.



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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:57 AM
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30. And you know who is trying the hardest to deal with the 5.0 million orphans
US Soldiers, who are trying in record numbers to adopt the kids. They see first hand the results of civil strife and sectarian violence unleashed by Bush-Cheney. Everybody knew the Iraqis would be furious at us, something to so with the .5 million Iraqi children who died due to the U.S. lead UN embargo through 2002. Everybody knew that the Sunnis and Shias hated each other, that the Kurds would do the cake walk and leave the fold, that the unrest would be endless.

Mission Damn Well Accomplished Bush - Cheney!

What a crime, but will there be justice?
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