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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:30 PM
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Maybe Edwards' Message Didn't Resonate w/Voters Because Most Poor Think They're "Middle Class"
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 06:32 PM by El Pinko
At least that's what I think.

I was a strong Edwards supporter, but I think talking about "eliminating poverty" probably alienated him from regular working joes and janes who have been inculcated to interpret such talk to mean "expand the welfare state".

It seems that the only way to talk to voters about this kind of thing is to frame it in terms like "we need to make sure that EVERYONE in America prospers." and "I want the middle class to benefit from our prosperity as much as the wealthiest have".

Maybe I'm wrong, but most poor people I know work for a living, don't get anything from the government, and don't think of themselves as "poor".
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:31 PM
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1. Edwards' message resonated
It's just that the media made sure not many people heard it.
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:32 PM
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2. Maybe.
It sure resonated with me.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:33 PM
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3. I agree 100%.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 06:33 PM by kirby
I think the majority of voters still hold on to that 'american dream' concept. That if they could only work a bit harder they will do better. When a candidate like Edwards talks of two Americas, they switch into denial mode, not wanting to give up on what they've been believing.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:35 PM
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4. Wrong.
The poor are virtually invisibilized in this country.

You obviously don't know what poor is. It's hell.

The poor in this country literally have no voice.

In the sixties the poor and their allied spoke and
were heard. Since Reagan was elected, those who
are poor .. or who think that wealth and opportunity
should be evenly distributed.. have been attacked,
ridiculed, marginalized, and finally invisibilized
to the extent that they are now powerless and totally
ineffective and irrelevant to those who have money
and power.

Sue
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:37 PM
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5. I think you're right. They were afraid that Edwards' plans would mean
higher taxes for them, in order to help people worse off.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:41 PM
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6. I'm neither poor nor middle class
I was voting not because I was in need. I was voting for America doing the right thing.
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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:41 PM
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7. What I'm finding as many of us slide into poverty
is that poor isn't just what you make its how much the cost of necessities has risen. I used to think we were middle class. We're making as much as we made in the 1990's but costs have risen so high that we're barely breaking even.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:42 PM
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8. They'll find out when that credit card balance isn't raised any more
and the companies all start demanding realistic monthly minimum payments.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:45 PM
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9. I don't think poor people think they are middle class. They have to struggle
so hard every month that they know where they are..all the time. They are one month away from disaster. They are going without. They have no health care and a poorly paid job if they have one. They know. How could you not if every day is a struggle.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:48 PM
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10. Most people are just not paying attention. Clinton/Obama were the only two running.
Most voters have no idea what message Edwards was saying because they didn't even know he was running until they walked up to the voting machine.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:49 PM
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11. America will get what it deserves... and we don't deserve a fair deal
We deserve more corporate imperialism.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:32 PM
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12. maybe they're deluded into thinking that or maybe just deluded
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:33 PM
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13. From the book...
Lundberg, Ferdinand. The Rich and the Super Rich. New York: Lyle Stewart, 1968. available for free-download at the following link: http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/0303socialcriticism.html

One THE ELECT AND THE DAMNED
Most Americans--citizens of the wealthiest, most powerful and most ideal-swathed country in the world--by a very wide margin own nothing more than their household goods, a few glittering gadgets such as automobiles and television sets (usually purchased on the installment plan, many at second hand) and the clothes on their backs. A horde if not a majority of Americans live in shacks, cabins, hovels, shanties, hand-me-down Victorian eyesores, rickety tenements and flaky apartment buildings--as the newspapers from time to time chortle that new Russian apartment-house construction is falling apart. (Conditions abroad, in the standard American view, are everywhere far worse than anywhere in the United States. The French, for example, could learn much about cooking from the Automat and Howard Johnson.)

At the same time, a relative handful of Americans are extravagantly endowed, like princes in the Arabian Nights tales. Their agents deafen a baffled world with a never-ceasing chant about the occult merits of private-property ownership (good for everything that ails man and thoroughly familiar to the rest of the world, not invented in the United States), and the vaulting puissance of the American owners.

It would be difficult in the 1960's for a large majority of Americans to show fewer significant possessions if the country had long labored under a grasping dictatorship. How has this process been contrived of stripping threadbare most of the populace, which once at least owned small patches of virgin land? To this fascinating if off-color question we shall give some attention later.

Statements such as the foregoing on the rare occasions when they are ventured (although strictly true and by no means new)1 are bound to be challenged by the alert propaganda watchdogs of the established order. These propagandists, when hard pressed, offer an incantation about a mythical high American standard of living which on inspection turns out to be no more than a standard of gross consumption. The statements must, therefore--particularly in this age of burgeoning one-sided affluence--be monumentally and precisely documented and redocumented. Not that this will deter the watchdogs, who have limitless resources of casuistry and dialectic to fall back upon as well as an endless supply of white paper from denuded forests.


Nation of Employees

Most adult Americans in the quasi-affluent society of today, successors to the resourceful (and wholly imaginative) Americano of Walt Whitman's lush fantasy, are nothing more than employees. For the most part they are precariously situated; nearly all of them are menials. In this particular respect Americans, though illusion-ridden, are like the Russians under Communism, except that the Russians inhabit a less technologized society and have a single employer, There are, of course, other differences (such as the fact that Americans are allowed a longer civil leash), but not of social position. And this nation of free and equal employees is the reality that underlies and surrounds the wealthy few on the great North American continent.

Those few newspapers that make a practice of printing foreign news occasionally survey Latin American countries. The writers are invariably grieved to find a small oligarchy of big landowners in control, with the remainder of the population consisting of sycophantic hangers-on and landless, poverty-stricken peasants. But I have never seen it remarked that the basic description, with the alteration of a few nouns, applies just as well to the United States, where the position of the landowners is occupied by the financiers, industrialists and big rentiers and that of the peasants by the low-paid employees (all subject to dismissal for one reason or other just like the peasants)

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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:41 PM
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14. don't know if it translated into a lack of votes for Edwards
but absolutely agree that most working class people don't see themselves that way. The parasite class invented the term "middle class" in order to shift debate to the right.

If you rely on your wage to live, have no hiring or firing responsibilities and little say in the overall nature of your employment then you are working class.

You might be middle income but middle class is a meaningless distinction used to dilute tyhe obvious reality that the parasite class has NOTHING in common with the working class and their interests are diametrically opposite.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:45 PM
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15. Middle class is a bad term
It has lost meaning as the definition varies too widely. Such that everyone from $16k/yr to $160k/yr think they are part of the "Middle Class". And really who wants to tell someone with a $48k houshold income that they are really working poor and if living in some of the major cities should be on public assistance. Most working people still have their pride and calling them poor probably doesn't sit well.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:50 PM
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16. It is true. People will always take a "step up" but not a "step down." n/t
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:51 PM
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17. Well...
.. it will resonate a year from now.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:21 PM
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18. I've wondered that also.
I know a woman now in her early sixties. She raised three kids singlehanded. She worked more than one low paying job at a time. No child support, no assistance. They were what I would have called poor. Living hand to mouth in cheap trailer rentals in rough neighborhoods and stretching the hamburger meat with generic cornflakes to make it last the week. Her daughter, my friend, told me never to use the word poor in regards to how they were raised when in the presence of her mother, as far as she was concerned they were never poor. Poor was an ugly word that you used for other people who refused to work. She saw herself as a class above them since they had a roof and food enough for one helping each two meals a day.

I've been thinking long and hard trying to figure out what went wrong and what you suggest could be one possibility.
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